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volfanhill said:
I don’t know why anyone should care. He wasn’t shot. And they do this all the time. I care but no more bc it’s him all of a sudden. Did you care when Madolf got the same treatment?
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they don't do this all the time. the signatory bond tells you that he was not a flight risk compared to Maddoff and given they've been surveilling Stone for well over a year it's not like he had all sorts of evidence to destroy (unlike Maddoff).

It was bluster. I'd argue it's a substitute for substance.
 
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1972 Grad said:
It is sad when your country's actions resemble the strong arm tactics of Hitler. They sent 29 more armed men after Stone than they did for our diplomats in Libya.
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It's sad when your country's president demonizes the press and the very institutions sworn to protect and defend the country, That's something Hitler could really get behind.
 
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1972 Grad said:
It is sad when your country's actions resemble the strong arm tactics of Hitler. They sent 29 more armed men after Stone than they did for our diplomats in Libya.
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Just think of it as 29 men/women going to a strangers house in the middle of the night. I would have whatever gun the law allowed. Did they have those scary guns?
 
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If I didn't know better I might think that Whitaker got some instructions from Rudy to kinda put an artificial deadline out there.

Nah.
 
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Andrew Miller may be next in front of the Grand Jury. He is fighting a subpoena now and there are likely more charges coming for Stone.
 
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luthervol said:
It's sad when your country's president demonizes the press and the very institutions sworn to protect and defend the country, That's something Hitler could really get behind.
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It’s sad when the media and institutions like the FBI wreak of political bias and corruption. You could easily flip the script with your Hitler anolgy. Libtards fit the bill more accordingly.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Stone loved every minute of it... Cry me a river. I've never seen anyone so thrilled to be arrested.
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I’m telling you , I think he was one or him and his group of friends , that tipped off CNN . The more I think about all of it the more likely I think it is . 🤔
 
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1972 Grad said:
Anybody on here think that it was okay to send 27 FBI agents , with guns drawn, and 19 vehicles in a predawn raid to arrest someone that allegedly lied to Congress? Something that many have done including Clapper, Lerner, and Holder.
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You mean this crazy guy didn’t deserve it???
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Grand Vol said:
@RockyTop85

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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah I’m totally speculating on the policy. Local law enforcement probably wouldn’t bother arresting a non-violent older rich white guy who isn’t dealing drugs, like Roger Stone, unless it made the news and he wasn’t turning himself in.

The more I think about it, the more I think it was probably set up to be a spectacle. I read that they had to ask the judge for some special procedure to keep it sealed until they served it on him because he’s a flight risk or might destroy evidence, but then the judge let him out on bond which means he’s not a flight risk. Can’t imagine there’s a ton of evidence in his house.

I have 0 sympathy for Roger Stone. He’s basically the political version of a sleazy televangelist. This does look like the OSC was being petty, at best.
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I think we’re pretty much in agreement on this.

Even Manti Ta’o wouldn’t believe that tweet, though. It’s the kind of ham-fisted crap commentary that makes me loathe twitter.

Rather than Ban users, maybe twitter needs to add like a purple questionmark next to account’s that are irresponsible propagandists. This guy, Jakob Wohl, and that Buzzfeed reporter all need one.

CNN ran an article about 4 Houston police officers getting shot during a search warrant (I suspect that was molding their narrative as I didn’t see the story anywhere else). They said HPD went in with a dozen narcotics agents and “several” patrol officers. So 14-17 ish officers to serve a narcotics warrant.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I think we’re pretty much in agreement on this.

Even Manti Ta’o wouldn’t believe that tweet, though. It’s the kind of ham-fisted crap commentary that makes me loathe twitter.

Rather than Ban users, maybe twitter needs to add like a purple questionmark next to account’s that are irresponsible propagandists. This guy, Jakob Wohl, and that Buzzfeed reporter all need one.

CNN ran an article about 4 Houston police officers getting shot during a search warrant (I suspect that was molding their narrative as I didn’t see the story anywhere else). They said HPD went in with a dozen narcotics agents and “several” patrol officers. So 14-17 ish officers to serve a narcotics warrant.
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Narcotics warrant and someone who lied to Congress...

Yeah, totally similar.

As for believing the Tweet, I wouldn't go down that road.
 
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Wasn't a search warrant also served on Stone's residence when they arrested him? I've seen the warrant for the New York residence and assuming they are the same, it was no knock because there was concern he was going to destroy evidence if given the chance.

So what might appear to the Trumpsters as a heavy handed police presence may actually be explained as necessary to serve the arrest and search warrants, and to then conduct the search.

Having dealt with law enforcement in analagous cases, they plan these things carefully. Often practice them if there is time, with each member assigned specific tasks.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wasn't a search warrant also served on Stone's residence when they arrested him? I've seen the warrant for the New York residence and assuming they are the same, it was no knock because there was concern he was going to destroy evidence if given the chance.

So what might appear to the Trumpsters as a heavy handed police presence may actually be explained as necessary to serve the arrest and search warrants, and to then conduct the search.

Having dealt with law enforcement in analagous cases, they plan these things carefully. Often practice them if there is time, with each member assigned specific tasks.
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Do they tip off certain members of the press too?
 
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37L1 said:
Do they tip off certain members of the press too?
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As you guys like to say, you got proof they were "tipped off"?

CNN's explanation is credible.

CNN producer David Shortell and photojournalist Gilbert De La Rosa were outside Stone's home Friday morning to witness the FBI approaching Stone's door to arrest him on a seven-count indictment that special counsel Robert Mueller's grand jury approved a day earlier.
They were there staking out Stone because there was just enough evidence lurking in the special counsel's activity over the past week that CNN's team covering the Mueller investigation placed a bet that Stone could be arrested as early as Friday.
Stone's possible indictment has been looming for months now, as Mueller has interviewed many of his associates and others connected to the longtime Trump confidante, whose political career dates back to President Richard Nixon.
The first clue that the indictment was imminent came last week from CNN's Sara Murray, who was reporting on the upcoming grand jury appearance of Jerome Corsi's stepson. As the stepson's legal team negotiated a date for testimony, they were told to pick any day but Friday -- an indication Mueller's team expected to be busy Friday, according to a source familiar with the discussions.
Now, one plausible explanation was the fact there was already one event on the books for Friday -- a Paul Manafort court hearing -- but Mueller had convened the grand jury on previous days where court hearings were scheduled or other major court filing activity occurred in the special counsel's open cases.
And Mueller's grand jury nearly always meets on Fridays -- moving to a different day was unusual. In fact, CNN's Katelyn Polantz and Laura Robinson observed that the last time the grand jury convened on a Thursday, Russian officials were indicted by Mueller the next day.
More clues emerged at court on Thursday morning.
At the DC federal courthouse Thursday, Robinson spotted at least two prosecutors, Andrew Goldstein and Aaron Zelinsky, visiting with the grand jury. They stayed convened for more than an hour after Corsi's stepson Andrew Stettner testified to the grand jury.
Zelinsky earlier in the day had been spotted by CNN's Em Steck and Sam Fossum wheeling a suitcase with him to work, then leaving with it just after 2:30 p.m. The contents inside were unknown, though it suggested the possibility he could be getting ready to travel. (The special counsel's office would later confirm Friday that Zelinsky was in the Florida courtroom for Stone's appearance.)
With all those clues, it was decided to send Shortell from Washington to Florida to stake out Stone's house Friday morning, just in case the clues did add up to something.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/roger-stone-raid/index.html


I know this explanation is inconvenient for you. I know you don't like the factual predicate for it because it means you and the Trump minions are wrong. But just sayin', you know, you are making the claim.
 
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Wow, CNN must be a super duper investigative news source as they were the only news outlet with the presence of mind to be there.

Right?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wasn't a search warrant also served on Stone's residence when they arrested him? I've seen the warrant for the New York residence and assuming they are the same, it was no knock because there was concern he was going to destroy evidence if given the chance.

So what might appear to the Trumpsters as a heavy handed police presence may actually be explained as necessary to serve the arrest and search warrants, and to then conduct the search.

Having dealt with law enforcement in analagous cases, they plan these things carefully. Often practice them if there is time, with each member assigned specific tasks.
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No...
 
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