Amateur Hour Continues

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luthervol said:
You're missing one of the big points. The individual doesn't get to decide what their societal responsibilities are. (that's a biggie)

Let's assume someone decides it is their societal responsibility to take from the people with to much and give it to the people without enough.
Do they have the individual right to decide their own societal responsibilities? Of course not.
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And that is why we will never agree, frankly this is the genesis of just about every atrocity committed by "society". If "society" simply respected individual rights 90% of our problems would go away.

The rest of your post is just typical Luther gibberish.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Why doesn’t Nancy appropriate the funds they voted for over a decade ago and end this shutdown. They will look so magnanimous!
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I stated several days ago that I think the Democrats may be best served by just giving Trump the wall. It will never be what he promised, and to the degree that it is, it will be an albatross for him to wear.

The Democrats should pass it with a very loud, public, and continually repeated statement. Something along the lines of......... "Trump values self over country, always has and always will. He is an habitual liar; he is amoral, narcissistic, and simply a despicable human. We will move forward with full understanding of that reality'
 
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hog88 said:
And that is why we will never agree, frankly this is the genesis of just about every atrocity committed by "society". If "society" simply respected individual rights 90% of our problems would go away.

The rest of your post is just typical Luther gibberish.
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That is exactly where we disagree. But in a way, I guess it's good to know.
 
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luthervol said:
I stated several days ago that I think the Democrats may be best served by just giving Trump the wall. It will never be what he promised, and to the degree that it is, it will be an albatross for him to wear.

The Democrats should pass it with a very loud, public, and continually repeated statement. Something along the lines of......... "Trump values self over country, always has and always will. He is an habitual liar, amoral, narcissistic, and simply a despicable human. We will move forward with full understanding of that reality'
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Yes, give that man his albatross.
 
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#5,655
luthervol said:
I stated several days ago that I think the Democrats may be best served by just giving Trump the wall. It will never be what he promised, and to the degree that it is, it will be an albatross for him to wear.

The Democrats should pass it with a very loud, public, and continually repeated statement. Something along the lines of......... "Trump values self over country, always has and always will. He is an habitual liar; he is amoral, narcissistic, and simply a despicable human. We will move forward with full understanding of that reality'
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Trade it for tax returns... I'd be down
 
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hog88 said:
Yep, I don't know how anyone can disagree with the concept of putting individual rights first but good to know.
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Luther is presumably a grown man...who was all in on Bernie. Luther is a socialist, Hog. Socialists don’t care much for the individual.
 
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#5,659
hog88 said:
Yep, I don't know how anyone can disagree with the concept of putting individual rights first but good to know.
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There you go, and just as we were reaching an agreed upon disagreement.
Where and when did I ever say the individual rights shouldn't be placed first?
I'll save you the trouble, I never did.
But just for the record, sometimes individual rights and responsibilities take priority and sometimes societal rights and responsibilities take priority.
It would be one of those changing continuum things.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Luther is presumably a grown man...who was all in on Bernie. Luther is a socialist, Hog. Socialists don’t care much for the individual.
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lol.......We can not, nor should we, compare lives, but I'm confident that I have lived my life with as much individual responsibility as you redhatters.
 
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luthervol said:
There you go, and just as we were reaching an agreed upon disagreement.
Where and when did I ever say the individual rights shouldn't be placed first?
I'll save you the trouble, I never did.
But just for the record, sometimes individual rights and responsibilities take priority and sometimes societal rights and responsibilities take priority.
It would be one of those changing continuum things.
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No it doesn't.
 
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hog88 said:
No it doesn't.
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Sure they do.
Isis terrorists who stormed over the unwalled Mexican border have made their way to your neighborhood. The Army needs to set up a base on your property.......
Even better. The wall, an unwilling property owner, and eminent domain.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Do you accept that challenge? I’ll bet money you can’t do it. We’ve tried to tell you guys that’s exactly what do now
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ND have you ever seen someone's head explode because they can't b*tch every 2 minutes about someone who gets under their skin and in their game so completely they could be called obsessive? It's not pretty.
 
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luthervol said:
Democrats are all about personal responsibility; which includes personal responsibilities for certain things regarding the society in which you are lucky enough to live.
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The “ society “ in which I am lucky enough to live in pushes blame onto others at the drop of a hat without facts and based on pure emotional response . Barry didn’t push personal responsibility , he pushed the collective , the government nanny state and globalism . Now that I’ve addressed who I was directly speaking about , Democrats literally wrote the book on avoiding personal responsibility , deflecting onto others and choosing and ever increasing Government controlled agenda . I dare say MLK did not mean that taking personal accountability means more socialism where the government takes a Daycare type role in your life .
 
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Velo Vol said:
And then the next time this happens?
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It's a one time concession. That is why I said it needed to be accompanied with a loud and clear message stated over and over that Trump could never be trusted again, did not have the best interest of the country as his top priority, was an habitual liar with no morals, and that they will now deal with Trump from this reality for as long as he remains in office.
 
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luthervol said:
It's a one time concession. That is why I said it needed to be accompanied with a loud and clear message stated over and over that Trump could never be trusted again, did not have the best interest of the country as his top priority, was an habitual liar with no morals, and that they will now deal with Trump from this reality for as long as he remains in office.
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Are we still in the 2 min warning or have we added more time on the clock ? Lol
 
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