Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[eVOLve]

He was a good plugger...till he wasn't. He was never dynamic, and he wasn't even in the same area code as a runner as Alvin Kamara. That is a absolute fact no matter what I said.

Kamara is a rare commodity. I really think Gray has that potential. Hybrid between Kamara and CP in my opinion.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Hindsight 20/20 they were both very good (Kamara better, but still) and being misused and both should have been on the field together much, much more.

This is true, I know Hurd had uses, but my argument is AK should have gotten most of the run because he is the far greater talent.

 

[HankHill]

No he wasn't. When is 3+ ypc awesome?...f'n never. He was alright as a plugger, but he didn't have any business getting 2/3 the touches. Kamara is a freakishly great runner, Hurd doesn't belong in the same conversation with him as a running talent. That's like comparing Otis Anderson, or Brandon Jacobs with Barry Sanders...it is stupid. And it was jyst a massive waste of elite RB talent...period.

Kamara isn’t a RB that should get 20+ carries a game all year. Hurd is our 2nd leading career rusher so don’t act like he’s a bum. He almost averaged 5ypc his first two years while being the bell cow.....He also had very good games against Florida, Georgia, and Vt his last year here.

No one is disputing that kamara is the better player especially now but they are totally different. We did the same thing the Saints are doing now with how they use mark ingram and kamara.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

He was a good plugger...till he wasn't. He was never dynamic, and he wasn't even in the same area code as a runner as Alvin Kamara. That is a absolute fact no matter what I said.

Nah Hurd was dynamic too. Not on Kamara’s level, but a better coach would’ve found ways to use both of them much better. His 2015 game against UF was great. Broke tons of tackles in space saved Debord’s ass on a lot of drives.

 

[HankHill]

Kamara should have gotten way more carries than Hurd

He’s not built for that. You use him in the passing game more than running game to get him that many touches.

 

[eVOLve]

2nd, 4th, 5th 2 6th, and 7th round picks left. traded away the first for Kamara then traded 3rd for Bridgewater. Honestly don’t remember what we gave up for Apple, might have been the 4th.

What's Hurds projection in the draft? I could see him going mid to late. Do the Saints have more need in other areas to not take Hurd?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Kamara is a rare commodity. I really think Gray has that potential. Hybrid between Kamara and CP in my opinion.

Man...that would be soooo sweet.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Kamara isn’t a RB that should get 20+ carries a game all year. Hurd is our 2nd leading career rusher so don’t act like he’s a bum. He almost averaged 5ypc his first two yards while being the bell cow.....He also had very good games against Florida, Georgia, and Vt his last year here.

No one is disputing that kamara is the better player especially now but they are totally different. We did the same thing the Saints are doing now with how they use mark ingram and kamara.

Hurd got 9 billion carries..his YPC is hooorrriid. It kept on dropping.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

This is true, I know Hurd had uses, but my argument is AK should have gotten most of the run because he is the far greater talent.

With the group of RBs we had and Dobbs at QB, we shouldn’t have been giving any back 20+ carries a game. Hurd and Kamara should have been on the field at almost all times and both should’ve been used in the passing game a lot more.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Nah Hurd was dynamic too. Not on Kamara’s level, but a better coach would’ve found ways to use both of them much better. His 2015 game against UF was great. Broke tons of tackles in space saved Debord’s ass on a lot of drives.

No he was not.

 

[SLICKYINC]

What's Hurds projection in the draft? I could see him going mid to late. Do the Saints have more need in other areas to not take Hurd?

Not sure about his projection, but saints need WR, DL, DB, LB and maybe a TE and QB IMO.

Edit: And OL because Andrus Peat is a walking penalty.

 

[T Dog]

#themomentitslegal

look around, it kinda is. With a rebel yell.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

With the group of RBs we had and Dobbs at QB, we shouldn’t have been giving any back 20+ carries a game. Hurd and Kamara should have been on the field at almost all times and both should’ve been used in the passing game a lot more.

Touches...Kamara should have gotten 20+ touches a game.

 

[eVOLve]

Hurd got 9 billion carries..his YPC is hooorrriid. It kept on dropping.

He literally was great until 2016.

 

[BruinVol]

And in retrospect, can you really blame Hurd for what he did? Dude played hard every snap prior to 16' season.. was promised a certain play style by Botch and Botch didnt deliver.

Yes you can blame him.


I don't blame him for leaving but I do blame him for quitting in the middle of the seaon.

Those kids that leave after 4 games now I hate it but it at least benefits them while Hurd received no benefit for leaving

 

[volfanCLT]

Hurd got 9 billion carries..his YPC is hooorrriid.

You literally argued Hurd’s YPC was not good because of the line his sophomore year.

You even said he would have the same stats as Nick Chubb if he had average blocking

 

[HankHill]

Hurd got 9 billion carries..his YPC is hooorrriid.

He’s a career 4.5ypc guy.
Just for some reference....
Arian Foster is 4.6 at UT
Montario hardesty 4.3.

Hurd was good. Idk why you’re saying he wasn’t a good player lol. He is also one of the best RBs in pass protection we’ve ever had here

 

[Sleegro]

Hurd got 9 billion carries..his YPC is hooorrriid. It kept on dropping.

Averaged 4.5 yards per carry here. Including is bad 3rd year which was 3.7. Just for accuracy.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You literally argued Hurd’s YPC was not good because of the line his sophomore year.

You even said he would have the same stats as Nick Chubb if he had average blocking

Yep...I did. I was wrong.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

No he was not.

Agree to disagree, I guess. But you can’t deny that he made plays that helped this team. Without him we’d have gone 5-7 or worse in 2014 and we’d have been rid of your boy Butch a year earlier.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Averaged 4.5 yards per carry here. Including is bad 3rd year which was 3.7. Just for accuracy.

Is 4.5 great? Is that supposed to be elite?

 

[barrylee]

Boomers blamed everything on gen x. It's the circle of life.

Not all boomers, its the young folks who give me hope.. Look what the boomers brought on..

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Time for my annual NFL post:

Anybody but the patriots

 

[volfaninpa]

Don't think I saw this posted yet. Nice try Kirby:

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Touches...Kamara should have gotten 20+ touches a game.

And Hurd needed about 15, Dobbs about 15 carries/game, and Kelly a few carries here and there.