Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[SweetasSoda]

I'm really not seeing this. At all lol

I really am.

 

[jakez4ut]

Pretty much now any coach that has winning stunts at UCF, Houston, Boise, USF, or Louisville i instantly have red flags about. Seems like anybody can win there.

well, not for nothing, but during the 2017 season i was did some digging on head coaching turnover rates.

cause it seemed to me that you always heard about finding the 'next urban meyer' or whatever.

and i don't recall all the actual #'s but the basic premis was this.....the talent pool for head coaches had severely shrank over the last 5-7 years. as turnover rates sky rocketed at more p5 programs, they were going to those 2nd tier programs to get the next hot shot head coach.

it devolved to the point where the average experience for a head coaching being promoted up was around 3 years or so.

and what that has done is it has eliminated the stair stepping process for a head coach....like an urban meyer did back in the day. start at Bowling Green, go to Utah, have a bonafide track record, and then get to UF or OSU.

what we now see is 1 stop, for 1-3 years, then off to the big time.

so the uncertainty of what you're getting in a head coach is at an all time high....the pool just isn't as deep anymore. experience isn't as big a deal, and it wouldn't matter if it was, cause there's just not as much of it anymore.

a guy like Taggart or Butch Jones or Lane Kiffin or Kevin Sumlin...depsite success at that previous stop, simply may not translate.

 

[OrangenSC]

Again, where were you last week when he called the Crouch and Wright visits when nobody else knew about them

It doesn't count when he's right.

 

[BearCat204]

I'm really not seeing this. At all lol

Then you are still asleep in bed lol

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

Great. All the trollage from the FF and elsewhere conjured D4H. He has made an appearance in the Trey Knox thread.

 

[SugarCC]

well we might not have.; ive thought about it beofre, but there was a point where i believed we would have taken his committment if he would have been and early signee. he hasn't signed with UNC yet either.

but either way, i do believe the reason he isn't/wasn't committed to TN is because we wouldn't take his committment, for whatever reason.

I think you may be right.

That's something Pruitt and his staff are going to have to look into. I understand how hard these decisions can possibly be. You have your top 5 guys at a position, and #4 or #5 want to commit, but you're still sitting in good, ok, maybe(?) shape with #1 thru #3, and you're looking at the numbers...tough decisions.

I hate that we lost out on Anderson; but, what are you to do, if you strongly feel you have a good chance of flipping a Norton or Eboigbe, you know.

Still very happy with our class so far; planning to be moreso in Feb. Now, if Wright, Crouch, and Gray get away...my feeling will change.

 

[butchna]

Hes not announcing till Jan 5th

But he could SIGN.

 

[volgrad500]

I think schools just tell kids to entertain us and put a hat on the table so we can get publicly crapped on.

Lol not sure why but this was funny

 

[Weezer]

As far as today, it is what it is. It's okay to be disappointed that we didn't do better, so I'm not quite sure why some have a problem with that. Going forward, we need to focus on Gray, Crouch, Wright, To'oto'o, and any good DL that didn't sign early. Maybe we can flip someone. We could certainly use another DE or 2.

 

[Catbone]

Going to go against the grain here. I don't think the power run style offense works that well in college football unless you recruit like Bama and Georgia and LSU. When you look at Missouri and Ole Miss and see what they do schematically with less talented players, they are able to score more points in their system. Jmo

 

[VOLNPA]

We are sitting @ 15ish with our current haul. Add Wright, Crouch and Gray and we are set up pretty well...likely top 6 in the SEC. I know we'll get a lot of..."why settle for anything less than excellence?" or "Tennessee football is better than this". Baby steps. 9 wins in 2 years and we end up top 10-12 in recruiting? I'll take it.

 

[InstrumentalVol]

Coach Pruitt having a press conference at 3CST on TN Football's Facebook page. Hopefully someone else will stream it.

 

[barrylee]

Nah no reason to panic. It's solid enough assuming we get Crouch and Wright and Gray. Just gotta realize we are going to have to do better for the next few years to compete with the big boys in the SEC.

Who hijacked your computer??lol

 

[BJSforVols]

Coach Pruitt having a press conference at 3CST on TN Football's Facebook page. Hopefully someone else will stream it.

He's coming on 104.5 in Nashville at 3:30 as well.

 

[VolsnCards5]

Man, if I were a white OL from Tennessee, i’d Consider not signing with UT. There is some bad juju there. Hopefully Lampley breaks that trend.

Edit: actually, considering Trey Smith, it might just be any OL from Tennessee

 

[Smokey123]

Going to go against the grain here. I don't think the power run style offense works that well in college football unless you recruit like Bama and Georgia and LSU. When you look at Missouri and Ole Miss and see what they do schematically with less talented players, they are able to score more points in their system. Jmo

No doubt, even bama went away from old fashion Offense, LSU is starting to also.

 

[Catbone]

Who hijacked your computer??lol

It's just the reality of the situation we are in right now. We slow played some guys we should have and it sucks that we missed on a few of them.. But we can't expect to get who we want until we at least beat the bottom feeders of the SEC!

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Mehlan and Florida have passed the Vols on 247 composite team rankings.

 

[i2amavol]

I feel OK with the class we now have. If we can just follow through with those who are strong leans to us - Wright, Crouch, and Gray - then I think it is very solid. Obviously, you want to get to where you are having top 5 classes on an annual basis, but any time you can come in near the top 10, then you should be happy, IMO. This is especially true with our recent on-the-field success, or lack thereof.

 

[Catbone]

No doubt, even bama went away from old fashion Offense, LSU is starting to also.

Yep exactly that's why I desperately hope our next OC isn't going to be a traditional old school guy with no creativity or we will again be sitting at last place in total offense.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Yet at the time, post visit, you yourself believed many of them to be Vols.


I agree many/most of them would've been huge upsets. I personally never believed guys like Cain were coming here. But like I said in another thread, when you wake up at 430am and you log in to see AV (who is normally very reliable) calling his shot and saying this guy and that guy are Vols.... coupled with Hubbs "watching closely" or Simonton's "secret recruit" comments on the same guys... and then we whiff on both, you can't understand why someone would be disappointed?

If you're pissy with my take on today, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think I've been throwing a tantrum and declaring this class a failure or calling for heads.

But I am disappointed with how today turned out.

The difference in you and me is I realised a while back that this class was gonna pretty much be what it is, so I had already made peace with it. I figured..IF...we landed some big fish that would be great and I would be happy, but after the past 15 years of getting kicked in the nads on signing day..I just wasn't buying it this time.


See..now I don't feel like I suffered a huge let down and I actually appreciate this class...

My only complaint is that they slow played Brown, and Means will have to be pretty good to make doing that worth it.

 

[nesbuddha66]

Yep exactly that's why I desperately hope our next OC isn't going to be a traditional old school guy with no creativity or we will again be sitting at last place in total offense.

Osovet fits the bill

 

[Smokey123]

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

The Volunteer State is producing more players than ever before. Tennessee’s facilities are great. The fanbase is as fanatical and loyal as any. The University itself enjoys more academic regard than ever before in its history.
But beating out SEC rivals for talent has never been harder.
When Phillip Fulmer was racking up wins with future NFL talent in the 90’s, LSU was bad, Alabama was struggling, Auburn was inconsistent, Georgia was couldn’t figure out who they were and Clemson was 6-5 every year. It was Tennessee and Florida battling Florida State for the region’s best.
In addition to winning in the living rooms in the SEC footprint, Tennessee made hay outside of the south in states like Oklahoma because the Sooners were irrelevant. Later, Fulmer made hay in California because USC was a trainwreck.
Fulmer was also recruiting to a school that had been winning when he got the job. Tennessee won the SEC in 1990. They had landed Heath Shuler in a widely-followed recruitment. In the four years before Peyton Manning arrived, Tennessee was 37-10-2 and were 22-7-1 in the SEC.
Compare that to the last 10 seasons (2009-18) where the Vols have won 25 SEC games. All the while, Georgia and Alabama have become playoff teams. LSU consistently produces more NFL talent than any other school, unless that school is Clemson.
South Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State have consistently been better than Tennessee over the last decade. Heaven forbid in the Vol psyche, but one could even say the same thing about Memphis in the last five seasons.
Now, that doesn’t mean Tennessee can’t get back.
But to do so, the Vols need stability. It’s why Craig Fitzgerald staying as strength coach was the biggest commitment the Vols landed on Wednesday. In addition to some stability, they need some success. Fading the last two weeks of the regular season didn’t help. They also need some reality — the reality that they aren’t going into Alabama or Georgia and consistently beat those teams head up for players. It’s why their evaluations must be spot on and they do have to win in other states.
But they do have to win some of those head-to-head battles against their rivals and that’s why the need some guys to step out front and center, be a Vol and be the best recruiters on the Vol staff. It’s why Wayna Morris’ signature is so important. It’s why Morris being here this January is vital, because he can be around every recruit. It’s why Harrison Bailey has to be the face of the 2020 class that recruits like a mad men on behalf of the Vols.

Hubbs

 

[Catbone]

Osovet fits the bill

Yeah I feel like he has a high ceiling but a huge question mark overall. Would like to see a great recruiter come in if he's promoted because we would still have an opening for another coach right?