Helton: Pruitt can stand toe to toe with any offensive coach: a great football mind

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VolsGrad1989 said:
Most of the players that played in the last two games didn't give their all for UT the last two games of the season. Even great coaches like Saban can't make players 'WANT IT'!!! If you watched the AU and UK game and don't think the team improved, I don't know what to say. I agree with you on the last two. But, Pruitt will get it done here as long as he doesn't let his loyalness to his buddies get in the way. He has shown he can develop players, recruit, will lay it on the line by being aggressive, and work his azz off to have an ELITE PROGRAM. Let's hope the administration and fan base is patient enough to give him at least four years. I really think they will be. I think UT wins the East in 2020 or 2021. After that, the program will be back on track. As long as we win the SEC EAST AT LEAST 3-4 times every decade, with 2 SEC CHAMPIONSHIPS and 2-3 PLAYOFF APPEARANCES every decade. I think that qualifies as ELITE. I really see Pruitt bringing us to a level where we were in the 90's and early 00's within three years!
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How do you know the players in the last 2 games "didn't give their all"? Are you on the team? Can you read minds? So they gave their all against AU and UK but decided not to in the last 2 games? Because that makes all kinds of sense huh?

If you're going to give Pruitt credit for AU and UK, you have to give him blame for Mizzou and Vandy. You can't pick and choose when he's responsible for games.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
How do you know the players in the last 2 games "didn't give their all"? Are you on the team? Can you read minds? So they gave their all against AU and UK but decided not to in the last 2 games? Because that makes all kinds of sense huh?

If you're going to give Pruitt credit for AU and UK, you have to give him blame for Mizzou and Vandy. You can't pick and choose when he's responsible for games.
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If they didn't quit, why did one of the players come out and call out several on social media? Get your facts straight. Also, if you couldn't tell they quit, that is your lack of judgement, not all Vol fans. A team good enough to beat AU and UK may not have been good enough to beat Mizz, probably not. But, they were definitely good enough to beat Vandy. When players are on the sidelines laughing and having a great time when getting curb stomped by an in state rival. That is giving up, not buying into the program, nor showing pride or care. That isn't on Pruitt. Those morals aren't taught in ONE SEASON. Again, get your facts straight before you come at me with some NONSENSE!!!
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
So coaches are no longer responsible for leading and motivating players? It's so difficult to keep up with the changing criteria that supposedly makes one a good coach.

Maybe CJP will become a good coach but blaming the players for not giving effort is a direct reflection on the coaching staff.
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You need to learn to read. I didn't say great coaches aren't motivators. They are. But, that isn't totally taught in one season. No matter how great a coach is. The players have to have some drive within them. I have coached for 18 years. Kids either have self drive or they don't. Most great players have so much drive it has to be controlled, like Jennings. If you think you can put drive into someone, you are greatly mistaken. I have tried to do that with my 45 year old brother for years!!! Great coaches can bring out the best in players. But, they can't put the best in them to bring it out of them. I am not talking about developing here. I am talking about internal fortitude. You probably know nothing about those two words!!!
 
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VolsGrad1989 said:
If they didn't quit, why did one of the players come out and call out several on social media? Get your facts straight. Also, if you couldn't tell they quit, that is your lack of judgement, not all Vol fans. A team good enough to beat AU and UK may not have been good enough to beat Mizz, probably not. But, they were definitely good enough to beat Vandy. When players are on the sidelines laughing and having a great time when getting curb stomped by an in state rival. That is giving up, not buying into the program, nor showing pride or care. That isn't on Pruitt. Those morals aren't taught in ONE SEASON. Again, get your facts straight before you come at me with some NONSENSE!!!
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You tell me to "get my facts straight", yet you base your whole opinion on one walk-on's social media post and what you saw on the sideline? ROFL. And get YOUR facts straight, it's Pruitt's job to get the team ready. As I already said, you can't have it both ways, giving Pruitt credit for AU and UK but blaming players for Vandy. Get that weak sause out of here.
 
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volfannbama said:
When did he develop a defense that wasnt stocked with 4/5 star talent?

To the UA/UK games, that 2 games of 11 where UT performed well. Do you think those are good odds?
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Did I say he could develop a 2 star roster that could compete in the SEC? No, I didn't. I didn't say he was a miracle worker! Do you not think Pruitt and staff won't get there share of 4 and 5 star talent in the next 2-3 recruiting classes? This class suggest that he will. Once that happens, I am saying we will see a team that makes us proud and wins the SEC East on a regular basis (4 times every 10 years). I would say that is regular. What Vol fan wouldn't be happy with 4 SEC Championships ever 10 years considering we haven't won one in 11 years. Every other team in the SEC East has won one during that period besides us, Vandy, and UK. Even Missouri has won two and they didn't join the conference until 2012.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You tell me to "get my facts straight", yet you base your whole opinion on one walk-on's social media post and what you saw on the sideline? ROFL. And get YOUR facts straight, it's Pruitt's job to get the team ready. As I already said, you can't have it both ways, giving Pruitt credit for AU and UK but blaming players for Vandy. Get that weak sause out of here.
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First of all, learn to spell sauce. Secondly, I didn't give Pruitt all the credit. Even Saban has to have Jimmy's and Joe's. I never said otherwise. You are saying the team didn't quit on him. Several other players besides the walk on said buy in and get with the program or get out. Can you prove the team didn't quit? It sure looked like they did to me about halfway through the Mizz game. You can't have it both ways either. PROVE THE TEAM DIDN'T QUIT!!! Most logical fans could see the team quit in the Vandy game and didn't take it seriously. Do you think Vandy is so talented that they beat UT like that with the entire team playing their very best and giving their all? I don't think Vandy is that talented.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You tell me to "get my facts straight", yet you base your whole opinion on one walk-on's social media post and what you saw on the sideline? ROFL. And get YOUR facts straight, it's Pruitt's job to get the team ready. As I already said, you can't have it both ways, giving Pruitt credit for AU and UK but blaming players for Vandy. Get that weak sause out of here.
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First of all, learn to spell sauce. Secondly, I didn't give Pruitt all the credit. Even Saban has to have Jimmy's and Joe's. I never said otherwise. You are saying the team didn't quit on him. Several other players besides the walk on said buy in and get with the program or get out. Can you prove the team didn't quit? It sure looked like they did to me about halfway through the Mizz game. You can't have it both ways either. PROVE THE TEAM DIDN'T QUIT!!! Most logical fans could see the team quit in the Vandy game and didn't take it seriously. Do you think Vandy is so talented that they beat UT like that with the entire team playing their very best and giving their all? I don't think Vandy is that talented.
 
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VolsGrad1989 said:
First of all, learn to spell sauce. Secondly, I didn't give Pruitt all the credit. Even Saban has to have Jimmy's and Joe's. I never said otherwise. You are saying the team didn't quit on him. Several other players besides the walk on said buy in and get with the program or get out. Can you prove the team didn't quit? It sure looked like they did to me about halfway through the Mizz game. You can't have it both ways either. PROVE THE TEAM DIDN'T QUIT!!! Most logical fans could see the team quit in the Vandy game and didn't take it seriously. Do you think Vandy is so talented that they beat UT like that with the entire team playing their very best and giving their all? I don't think Vandy is that talented.
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First, I'll learn to spell after you learn not to double post

Second, did you just tell me to prove that the team DIDN'T quit? And then imply you're one of the "logical" fans? ROFL. Sure buddy, I'll prove they didn't quit right after you prove that aliens DIDN'T take over the entire team with decoys and that's why they lost. Go ahead...prove that DIDN'T happen.
 
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VolsGrad1989 said:
Did I say he could develop a 2 star roster that could compete in the SEC? No, I didn't. I didn't say he was a miracle worker! Do you not think Pruitt and staff won't get there share of 4 and 5 star talent in the next 2-3 recruiting classes? This class suggest that he will. Once that happens, I am saying we will see a team that makes us proud and wins the SEC East on a regular basis (4 times every 10 years). I would say that is regular. What Vol fan wouldn't be happy with 4 SEC Championships ever 10 years considering we haven't won one in 11 years. Every other team in the SEC East has won one during that period besides us, Vandy, and UK. Even Missouri has won two and they didn't join the conference until 2012.
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Who said anything about 2 stars and competing in the SEC? You said he has proven he can develop players and I asked you when he had to develop a defense that wasnt stocked with 4/5 star talent.
With the SECCG, you are all over the place. The only 2 east teams to win an SECCG is florida (08) and Georgia (17).
Saying we will win either the east or the seccg game 4 out of 10 years, is just a baseless statement.
 
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VolsGrad1989 said:
You need to learn to read. I didn't say great coaches aren't motivators. They are. But, that isn't totally taught in one season. No matter how great a coach is. The players have to have some drive within them. I have coached for 18 years. Kids either have self drive or they don't. Most great players have so much drive it has to be controlled, like Jennings. If you think you can put drive into someone, you are greatly mistaken. I have tried to do that with my 45 year old brother for years!!! Great coaches can bring out the best in players. But, they can't put the best in them to bring it out of them. I am not talking about developing here. I am talking about internal fortitude. You probably know nothing about those two words!!!
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Not sure why youd make the last comment but the fact you're a coach for any amount of years means little. Except that you likely use the Jimmy's and Joe's line a bunch.

Am friends with many guys and gals who coach and one thing I've noticed is the couple that go deep into the playoffs every year and have actually won championships rarely, if ever, use the Jimmy's and Joe's excuse. The ones who have rarely have winning seasons...that's their go to "reason" for not winning.

But the claim that so many guys on the team have no "internal fortitude" that we cant field.a competitive team is ridiculous.

Poor coaches talk about Jimmy's and Joe's, good coaches talk about Xs and Os, great coaches develop and lead Jinmys and Joe's using Xs and Os.

Great coaches also bring out the best in every player not just the handful who are driven ala JJ.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Not sure why youd make the last comment but the fact you're a coach for any amount of years means little. Except that you likely use the Jimmy's and Joe's line a bunch.

Am friends with many guys and gals who coach and one thing I've noticed is they couple that go deep into the playoffs every year and have actually won championships rarely, if ever, use the Jimmy's and Joe's excuse. The ones who have rarely have winning seasons...that's their go to "reason" for not winning.

But the claim that so many guys on the team have no "internal fortitude" that we cant field.a competitive team is ridiculous.

Poor coaches talk about Jimmy's and Joe's, good coaches talk about Xs and Os, great coaches develop and lead Jinmys and Joe's using Xs AMD Os.

Great coaches also bring out the best in every player not just the handful who are driven ala JJ.
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I agree with you to a certain extent but these players as a whole have never shown they can consistently play at a level that wins in the SEC. Does that mean they will lose all games? No. But that does mean that there’s some things coaching can’t fix. Let’s face it. Auburn helped us a lot and had their own issues. Kentucky was very one dimensional and wearing down. Pruitt and the other coaches did scheme well to stop the KY running game but I expected them to do so. I would’ve been very concerned had they not. So, there were a few little positive signs, some negative signs that have been rehashed many times, but overall there’s nothing to point to yet to tell us how this thing will go. This coming year will be more telling. Kids that survive year one and agree to stay mixed in with Pruitt’s recruits means we will either see a step forward in execution or not. We still have serious depth issues so I don’t see a massive step forward yet. That can’t be fixed this fast. Butch signed a total of like 11 offensive linemen in his last 3 classes and by the time we got to Vandy only like 2 of them were standing. That’s not enough OL signees and massive attrition.
 
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Orange defense said:
Former UT Vols coordinator Tyson Helton: Jeremy Pruitt will get it done

We are going to get it done. It also tells me that he knows what he wants done to win. 2019 will be better. We have to remain patient, and let him rebuild Tennessee.
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I can now relax


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VolsGrad1989 said:
Most of the players that played in the last two games didn't give their all for UT the last two games of the season. Even great coaches like Saban can't make players 'WANT IT'!!! If you watched the AU and UK game and don't think the team improved, I don't know what to say. I agree with you on the last two. But, Pruitt will get it done here as long as he doesn't let his loyalness to his buddies get in the way. He has shown he can develop players, recruit, will lay it on the line by being aggressive, and work his azz off to have an ELITE PROGRAM. Let's hope the administration and fan base is patient enough to give him at least four years. I really think they will be. I think UT wins the East in 2020 or 2021. After that, the program will be back on track. As long as we win the SEC EAST AT LEAST 3-4 times every decade, with 2 SEC CHAMPIONSHIPS and 2-3 PLAYOFF APPEARANCES every decade. I think that qualifies as ELITE. I really see Pruitt bringing us to a level where we were in the 90's and early 00's within three years!
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Pruitt had a chance to build momentum heading into the off-season by winning at least one of the last 2 games and playing in a bowl game. Instead, those last 2 games were an epic disaster and his team was not ready to play. That's on him.
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
It's not just that we lost heartbreakers - we aren't even competitive with Vandy now. Unacceptable.
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It's not just the size of the schools, our budget is 4 times higher, recruiting classes much higher every year and higher ranked coaches but they win. Not once but 3 times in a row. They should change the name used by the press from the University of Tennessee to the "team run out of town by Vanderbilt". Team, run out of town by Vanderbilt's coach, blah, blah blah...
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Not sure why youd make the last comment but the fact you're a coach for any amount of years means little. Except that you likely use the Jimmy's and Joe's line a bunch.

Am friends with many guys and gals who coach and one thing I've noticed is the couple that go deep into the playoffs every year and have actually won championships rarely, if ever, use the Jimmy's and Joe's excuse. The ones who have rarely have winning seasons...that's their go to "reason" for not winning.

But the claim that so many guys on the team have no "internal fortitude" that we cant field.a competitive team is ridiculous.

Poor coaches talk about Jimmy's and Joe's, good coaches talk about Xs and Os, great coaches develop and lead Jinmys and Joe's using Xs and Os.

Great coaches also bring out the best in every player not just the handful who are driven ala JJ.
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Pruitt isn't making excuses and will get it done. You will see.
 
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Titan05 said:
Pruitt had a chance to build momentum heading into the off-season by winning at least one of the last 2 games and playing in a bowl game. Instead, those last 2 games were an epic disaster and his team was not ready to play. That's on him.
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Maybe it was. I still think he turns this program around faster than most think. We shall see.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Not sure why youd make the last comment but the fact you're a coach for any amount of years means little. Except that you likely use the Jimmy's and Joe's line a bunch.

Am friends with many guys and gals who coach and one thing I've noticed is the couple that go deep into the playoffs every year and have actually won championships rarely, if ever, use the Jimmy's and Joe's excuse. The ones who have rarely have winning seasons...that's their go to "reason" for not winning.

But the claim that so many guys on the team have no "internal fortitude" that we cant field.a competitive team is ridiculous.

Poor coaches talk about Jimmy's and Joe's, good coaches talk about Xs and Os, great coaches develop and lead Jinmys and Joe's using Xs and Os.

Great coaches also bring out the best in every player not just the handful who are driven ala JJ.
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You are clueless. Even Saban couldn't compete with a pro NFL team full with a bunch of the best former college players at every position. I guess that means Saban isn't a great coach due to him not coaching up the Dolphins when his two year win total was 15-17. By the way, his team was 9-7 the first year and then went 6-10, got worse his second year. His Bama team also lost to Louisiana Monroe before all those TOP 2 RECRUITING CLASSES. I am sure you are a person that thinks a player like Tua playing for UT this year wouldn't have given UT at least two more wins this year. GET REAL!!! The Jimmy's and Joe's have more to do with winning than coaching. When the Jimmy's and Joe's are equal. Then, it comes down to player development, X's and O's, and the coaches pushing the right buttons to get the players to perform at their best. I am sure Bama would be dominating and winnining NCs most every year with Vandy talent...NOT!!!!

Bama's recruiting classes the 3 years prior to Saban and his first class were 15, 18, 11, and 10. Bama went 4-4 in SEC play and 7-6 overall. Bama also was 2-3 vs top 25 teams. Even the great Saban, greatest college coach of all time, didn't start dominating college football until Bama was #1 in recuiting 80% of the time. Don't give me that bs about great coaches can overcome not having the Jimmy's and Joe's. Saban had a .500 record in SEC play his first year with a roster that averaged 14th in the country!!! Give Bama a 15,18,11, and 10 class the next four years and see how they compete against teams that are in the top 3 in recruiting every year, like UGA.

Before you rant a bunch of NONSENSE, give me some FACTS!!! Show me a team that has won the National Championship that didn't have an average class for four years in the top 10 in the last 20 years!!! I only found one in the last 15. That was Auburn who had a four year average of top 12 talent in the country from 2007 to 2010 (won it in 2010) according to Rivals. The Jimmy's and Joe's are at least two thirds of the formula. The other third is player development (strength and conditioning), getting the most out of all the players, and X's and O's.
 
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VolsGrad1989 said:
You are clueless. Even Saban couldn't compete with a pro NFL team full with a bunch of the best former college players at every position. I guess that means Saban isn't a great coach due to him not coaching up the Dolphins when his two year win total was 15-17. By the way, his team was 9-7 the first year and then went 6-10, got worse his second year. His Bama team also lost to Louisiana Monroe before all those TOP 2 RECRUITING CLASSES. I am sure you are a person that thinks a player like Tua playing for UT this year wouldn't have given UT at least two more wins this year. GET REAL!!! The Jimmy's and Joe's have more to do with winning than coaching. When the Jimmy's and Joe's are equal. Then, it comes down to player development, X's and O's, and the coaches pushing the right buttons to get the players to perform at their best. I am sure Bama would be dominating and winnining NCs most every year with Vandy talent...NOT!!!!

Bama's recruiting classes the 3 years prior to Saban and his first class were 15, 18, 11, and 10. Bama went 4-4 in SEC play and 7-6 overall. Bama also was 2-3 vs top 25 teams. Even the great Saban, greatest college coach of all time, didn't start dominating college football until Bama was #1 in recuiting 80% of the time. Don't give me that bs about great coaches can overcome not having the Jimmy's and Joe's. Saban had a .500 record in SEC play his first year with a roster that averaged 14th in the country!!! Give Bama a 15,18,11, and 10 class the next four years and see how they compete against teams that are in the top 3 in recruiting every year, like UGA.

Before you rant a bunch of NONSENSE, give me some FACTS!!! Show me a team that has won the National Championship that didn't have an average class for four years in the top 10 in the last 20 years!!! I only found one in the last 15. That was Auburn who had a four year average of top 12 talent in the country from 2007 to 2010 (won it in 2010) according to Rivals. The Jimmy's and Joe's are at least two thirds of the formula. The other third is player development (strength and conditioning), getting the most out of all the players, and X's and O's.
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Sabans failure in the nfl had nothing to do with Sabans football knowledge or coaching ability, but rather his handling of people. Saban is an insane control freak and he figured out the hard way that doesnt work with multi million dollar athletes. Thats why he came back to college.
In his first year at alabama, saban never lost a game by more than one score. He bet the a few ranked teams including beating the crap out of rival Tennessee.
Pruitt got blown out in every lose. The team looked like an unorganized mess in all but 2 games. They stuggled against fcs teams. So can we please stop acting like they are even remotely close to the same?
And as for Pruitts first year, noone expected him to compete with Alabama, but Vandy....cmon man.
 
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volfannbama said:
Sabans failure in the nfl had nothing to do with Sabans football knowledge or coaching ability, but rather his handling of people. Saban is an insane control freak and he figured out the hard way that doesnt work with multi million dollar athletes. Thats why he came back to college.
In his first year at alabama, saban never lost a game by more than one score. He bet the a few ranked teams including beating the crap out of rival Tennessee.
Pruitt got blown out in every lose. The team looked like an unorganized mess in all but 2 games. They stuggled against fcs teams. So can we please stop acting like they are even remotely close to the same?
And as for Pruitts first year, noone expected him to compete with Alabama, but Vandy....cmon man.
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Of course, YOU HAVE NO FACTS TO BACK UP YOUR NONSENSE. Prove that Jimmy's and Joe's don't matter! I proved they did in my post!!! Go back and look at all the NCs in the last 20 years. You will see 95% of them had an average ranking of top 10 for four years prior to the NC that was won. Again, the only exception I found was Auburn. They averaged a top 12 class for four years before winning it in 2010. Give me some FACTS from online sources that suggest otherwise!!!
 
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