Botch on the way to Maryland

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Bry said:
I bet he would be a great OC.
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The culture here was horribly lethargic under his leadership, but that doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't work out as an OC. It might not even be his scheme, which was oriented to very specific personnel. Fade is right, Dobbs made it look better than it often was in 2015.
 
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TenUhSee said:
Butch is going to do everything he can to squeeze every dime out of Tennessee that he can get.

By the way, does it seem to anyone else that all these universities must have the dumbest lawyers in the world. Football coaches who get fired for doing a lousy job keep the school bent over a log and
collect millions and millions from them. it seems like these "contracts" always means the school gets
screwed when some headphone-wearing loser can't produce a winning program.

we are talking about FOOTBALL COACHES here, not world class brain surgeons. if there are any
lawyers on the board that can explain why these "contracts" can't have stronger performance
clauses i'm sure a lot of people might appreciate an explanation.
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Well, I'm no attorney, but I'll give it a go. When performance clauses in collegiate coaching become the "norm" as they are in the NFL with its coaches and players, then you'll start seeing them everywhere. Of course in the NFL, you only have to muster 36 billionaire-owners to manage their admin/roster-payroll-risk with performance clauses. In the NCAA, you're talking about 120 teams, administrations, athletic departments, etc. So, I wouldn't look for any changes anytime soon....unless....a few marque schools like Notre Dame, Bama, USC, Mich, OSU, etc. start doing it...then everyone will start doing it.
 
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utvols74 said:
Well, I'm no attorney, but I'll give it a go. When performance clauses in collegiate coaching become the "norm" as they are in the NFL with its coaches and players, then you'll start seeing them everywhere. Of course in the NFL, you only have to muster 36 billionaire-owners to manage their admin/roster-payroll-risk with performance clauses. In the NCAA, you're talking about 120 teams, administrations, athletic departments, etc. So, I wouldn't look for any changes anytime soon....unless....a few marque schools like Notre Dame, Bama, USC, Mich, OSU, etc. start doing it...then everyone will start doing it.
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thanks for the reply
 
#88
#88
Good for Butch. I hope it's a significant position (something more than an intern), and that he has success (though not at Tennessee's expense).
 
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volfannbama said:
Sure I am.
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I think I can sum this up.

Freeze allegedly committed acts of questionable moral character. With the exception of any questionable actions in the Oher recruitment (which Fulmer still has his feelings hurt over, apparently) none of them were directed at UT or meant to insult UT.

Jones committed no acts of questionable moral character of which I am aware. What he did was take a job at a rival (perfectly fine), travel back to Knoxville (perfectly fine), then proceed to make sure his celebration of a win over his former program were well publicized (a definite slap). In this case, he should have followed the example of Lane Kiffin (not a phrase used often.) Kiffin came here, coached, acted with dignity, then left. No cigar shots or celebration pics were posted.

People will forgive a moral straying. They will even forgive a direct action taken against them. What they won't forgive is a slight, a petty insult. Robert DeNiro says it best in Hoffa:

"If a guy's close to you, you can't slight 'im. You can't slight that guy. A real grievance can be resolved; differences can be resolved. But an imaginary hurt, a slight - that mother****** gonna hate you 'til the day he dies."
 
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VolInNW said:
I think I can sum this up.

Freeze allegedly committed acts of questionable moral character. With the exception of any questionable actions in the Oher recruitment (which Fulmer still has his feelings hurt over, apparently) none of them were directed at UT or meant to insult UT.

Jones committed no acts of questionable moral character of which I am aware. What he did was take a job at a rival (perfectly fine), travel back to Knoxville (perfectly fine), then proceed to make sure his celebration of a win over his former program were well publicized (a definite slap). In this case, he should have followed the example of Lane Kiffin (not a phrase used often.) Kiffin came here, coached, acted with dignity, then left. No cigar shots or celebration pics were posted.

People will forgive a moral straying. They will even forgive a direct action taken against them. What they won't forgive is a slight, a petty insult. Robert DeNiro says it best in Hoffa:

"If a guy's close to you, you can't slight 'im. You can't slight that guy. A real grievance can be resolved; differences can be resolved. But an imaginary hurt, a slight - that mother****** gonna hate you 'til the day he dies."
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Stupid philosophy, even dumber when you look at it from CBJ point of view. Kiffen left here on his own. Butch was fired, one bad season after the best 3 years we have had in quite some time.
 
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#95
SprocketRocket said:
Agreed.

I believe that he genuinely wanted to be here, and be the coach of the Vols. I had high hopes for Butch. I knew he was coming from a different situation, but I wanted him to succeed. Even when he made bone-headed coaching mistakes I just chalked it up to inexperience. When he didn't go for two and blamed it on 'the Chart', I knew he was over his head and his tenure was doomed. I for one would be glad for him to take another job. I can't stand the thoughts of him working for the Bammers...
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I can't stand reading dribble like this.
 
#96
#96
volfannbama said:
Stupid philosophy, even dumber when you look at it from CBJ point of view. Kiffen left here on his own. Butch was fired, one bad season after the best 3 years we have had in quite some time.
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LOL. Dude. I wasn't advocating, I was explaining. You do take almost an instant combative stance at times. I personally could give two shakes of a rats tail what happens to Lyle. It is kinda fun to joke about it.

The Hoffa quote is very, very true, however. A life lesson I have observed people learn on various occasions.
 
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I do hope Jones figures it out but, like strength and conditioning, it's gonna take more than a year. At some point he needs to become an OC or something to get back into the mix. Gonna be hard though since one of his worst attributes is coaching on game day. That's something you either have or don't. More of an art than skill. He has got to find a way to overcome that. Hope he can.
 
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