My ignorance, school me ... but transfers

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count how against scholly limits and annual signings? I used to know but the rules have changed several times, not sure these days. Is there any difference between the SEC and NCAA about this?
 
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A transfer out opens a slot as long as it is below the total of 85 or 25 in any year. A transfer in simply uses one of the numbers available at that time. The key is the total and the annual number. Early enrollers can count against "last year" provided it still fits those criteria.
 
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A underclassmen transfer has to sit out a season if transferring from a Div I, a graduate transfer is allowed to transfer immediately if he has graduated and his current school does not offer the academic program the student/athlete is looking to enroll into (not sure this clause is ever looked at though). You are allowed 85 full scholarships on your roster.
 
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I believe Keller chryst counts against this class. A waste and now 24 scholly’s for this signing year instead of 25. We currently have 20 commitments
 
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It's pretty simple, really.

The 85 scholarship limit is a hard cap. Within that limit, the count goes up and down as players arrive and are awarded scholarships, or depart and free them up.

The 25 per year limit is a one-way counter. That number never goes back down. Once a person is signed and awarded a scholarship for a particular year, that one is used up forever. When the year gets to 25, no more can be added. Even if all 25 of those players leave the school, the 25 are still used up.

The complexity of it all is in the details of the latter rule, specifically how you define a player's arrival and where you can count him. For instance, if a fellow graduates high school early and enrolls for the university's spring semester, you have the choice of signing him for the year prior (if you haven't used all 25 already), or group him with the new class, most of whom typically will arrive in the summer just before fall camp. You can even get creative, hold off on giving a fellow a scholarship (make him pay his own way for the fall semester), and count him in the next year's class. This is where blue and grey shirt scholarships come in. You can do the same kind of thing with transfers, including graduate transfers: manipulate their arrival dates to affect which class you count them against.

But still, at the base it's simple. 25/year on a counter, and 85 total in the program at any time.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It's pretty simple, really.

The 85 scholarship limit is a hard cap. The count goes up and down as players arrive and are awarded scholarships, or depart and free them up.

The 25 per year limit is a one-way counter. That number never goes back down. Once a person is signed and awarded a scholarship for a particular year, that one is used up forever. When the year gets to 25, no more can be added. Even if all 25 of those players leave the school, the 25 are still used up.

The complexity of it all is in the details of the latter rule, specifically how you define a player's arrival and where you can count him. If a fellow graduates high school early and enrolls for the university's spring semester, you have the choice of signing him for the year prior (if you haven't used all 25 already), or group him with the new class, most of whom typically will arrive in the summer just before fall camp. You can even get creative, hold off on giving him a scholarship (make him pay his own way for the fall semester), and count him in the next year's class. This is where blue and grey shirt scholarships come in.

But still, at the base it's simple. 25/year on a counter, and 85 total in the program at any time.
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You are correct they allow a little creative accounting
 
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dougvolfan said:
I believe Keller chryst counts against this class. A waste and now 24 scholly’s for this signing year instead of 25. We currently have 20 commitments
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And I think Madre London and Brandon Kennedy count too .. so that makes 22 available ......
 
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Of the three only Brandon Kennedy returns. We need to be very selective with what we have left. Also we may have to jettison a couple of low 3 stars if big players come available
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It's pretty simple, really.

The 85 scholarship limit is a hard cap. Within that limit, the count goes up and down as players arrive and are awarded scholarships, or depart and free them up.

The 25 per year limit is a one-way counter. That number never goes back down. Once a person is signed and awarded a scholarship for a particular year, that one is used up forever. When the year gets to 25, no more can be added. Even if all 25 of those players leave the school, the 25 are still used up.

The complexity of it all is in the details of the latter rule, specifically how you define a player's arrival and where you can count him. For instance, if a fellow graduates high school early and enrolls for the university's spring semester, you have the choice of signing him for the year prior (if you haven't used all 25 already), or group him with the new class, most of whom typically will arrive in the summer just before fall camp. You can even get creative, hold off on giving a fellow a scholarship (make him pay his own way for the fall semester), and count him in the next year's class. This is where blue and grey shirt scholarships come in. You can do the same kind of thing with transfers, including graduate transfers: manipulate their arrival dates to affect which class you count them against.

But still, at the base it's simple. 25/year on a counter, and 85 total in the program at any time.
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Wow. Great post. I have no idea if you're right, but you sure sound like it.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It's pretty simple, really.

The 85 scholarship limit is a hard cap. Within that limit, the count goes up and down as players arrive and are awarded scholarships, or depart and free them up.

The 25 per year limit is a one-way counter. That number never goes back down. Once a person is signed and awarded a scholarship for a particular year, that one is used up forever. When the year gets to 25, no more can be added. Even if all 25 of those players leave the school, the 25 are still used up.

The complexity of it all is in the details of the latter rule, specifically how you define a player's arrival and where you can count him. For instance, if a fellow graduates high school early and enrolls for the university's spring semester, you have the choice of signing him for the year prior (if you haven't used all 25 already), or group him with the new class, most of whom typically will arrive in the summer just before fall camp. You can even get creative, hold off on giving a fellow a scholarship (make him pay his own way for the fall semester), and count him in the next year's class. This is where blue and grey shirt scholarships come in. You can do the same kind of thing with transfers, including graduate transfers: manipulate their arrival dates to affect which class you count them against.

But still, at the base it's simple. 25/year on a counter, and 85 total in the program at any time.
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
I wish the limit of only 25 recruits per year was raised to at least 30.

Some years you just need more recruits to fill spots.

I also wish we were allowed 100 scholly players.

VFL...GBO!!!
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It used to be that way but folks got tired of Bama, OSU, Texas and USC getting all the top guys just to keep them from going elsewhere so limit was dropped to 85, it doesn't seem to have worked out very well I agree!
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
It used to be that way but folks got tired of Bama, OSU, Texas and USC getting all the top guys just to keep them from going elsewhere so limit was dropped to 85, it doesn't seem to have worked out very well I agree!
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The real culprit was Tennessee's own Johnny Majors. In 1973 he signed a massive recruiting class that included Tony Dorsett and led to a national championship. He was within the rules at that time and it worked. By the time he got to UT, the rules had changed and he only had moderate success.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
The real culprit was Tennessee's own Johnny Majors. In 1973 he signed a massive recruiting class that included Tony Dorsett and led to a national championship. He was within the rules at that time and it worked. By the time he got to UT, the rules had changed and he only had moderate success.
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I have posted on this topic before. He told me he was given 100 or 105 scollies (by the school) to fill. He said the last was a skinny guy with speed recommended by his high school coach...... TD
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Bear Bryant's school of recruiting and Prop48 were the reasons I believe the rules changed.
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Here again, I was told by a friend in the industry (back in the late 60s) when I ask him how Bama could run so many guys on the field every year. His response was "some of the big Ala. banks fund scholarships in banking and finance at the U of A that football players could become bankers. I guess U of A had many academic scholarship players back then.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
I wish the limit of only 25 recruits per year was raised to at least 30.

Some years you just need more recruits to fill spots.

I also wish we were allowed 100 scholly players.

VFL...GBO!!!
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I don't want 100, but I do wish they'd create a rule that allows for a no waiting period transfer for players whose teams change head coaches for the first two years. Let those who want out to go and change, and for every player who transfers, you get a spot added to your 25 limit.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It's pretty simple, really.

The 85 scholarship limit is a hard cap. Within that limit, the count goes up and down as players arrive and are awarded scholarships, or depart and free them up.

The 25 per year limit is a one-way counter. That number never goes back down. Once a person is signed and awarded a scholarship for a particular year, that one is used up forever. When the year gets to 25, no more can be added. Even if all 25 of those players leave the school, the 25 are still used up.

The complexity of it all is in the details of the latter rule, specifically how you define a player's arrival and where you can count him. For instance, if a fellow graduates high school early and enrolls for the university's spring semester, you have the choice of signing him for the year prior (if you haven't used all 25 already), or group him with the new class, most of whom typically will arrive in the summer just before fall camp. You can even get creative, hold off on giving a fellow a scholarship (make him pay his own way for the fall semester), and count him in the next year's class. This is where blue and grey shirt scholarships come in. You can do the same kind of thing with transfers, including graduate transfers: manipulate their arrival dates to affect which class you count them against.

But still, at the base it's simple. 25/year on a counter, and 85 total in the program at any time.
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Good stuff. Thanks!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
It's pretty simple, really.

The 85 scholarship limit is a hard cap. Within that limit, the count goes up and down as players arrive and are awarded scholarships, or depart and free them up.

The 25 per year limit is a one-way counter. That number never goes back down. Once a person is signed and awarded a scholarship for a particular year, that one is used up forever. When the year gets to 25, no more can be added. Even if all 25 of those players leave the school, the 25 are still used up.

The complexity of it all is in the details of the latter rule, specifically how you define a player's arrival and where you can count him. For instance, if a fellow graduates high school early and enrolls for the university's spring semester, you have the choice of signing him for the year prior (if you haven't used all 25 already), or group him with the new class, most of whom typically will arrive in the summer just before fall camp. You can even get creative, hold off on giving a fellow a scholarship (make him pay his own way for the fall semester), and count him in the next year's class. This is where blue and grey shirt scholarships come in. You can do the same kind of thing with transfers, including graduate transfers: manipulate their arrival dates to affect which class you count them against.

But still, at the base it's simple. 25/year on a counter, and 85 total in the program at any time.
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Thanks 82, good stuff! Have to admit, I wasn’t clear on it either. So, what about the blue, grey, red and fuqua shirts... 😁. How do they fit in? I think the key is to bring in twenty 4*
preferred walk-ons each year...
 
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