2018 Midterm Election Thread

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InVOLuntary said:
If the people that don't deserve government handouts didn't receive government handouts, there would be plenty of safety nets avaible for those that truly need them.
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This. AshG should be madder than any of the rest of us at the ones who use the system as a way of life, yet could provide for themselves instead.

And, as one who also works with the underprivileged and less fortunate, I disagree with Ash. It's my experience that the number of people who choose an ongoing lifestyle of assistance far outweighs those who require it due to mental of physical handicap.
 
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LouderVol said:
a viable end game as far as the republicans didn't have an even worse fix for ACA, sure. stopping it/repealing it was a viable end game. getting the democrats to compromise is a viable end game. finding out what was in it is a viable end game, sans vote.

resisting back policy is a viable end game. no matter who or what it is. tax returns that aren't going to tell anyone anything impeachment worthy has no benefit except resistance.
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I think we’re talking about two different time periods. What I mean is around the start of Obama’s second term. It may have been the back half of that term. At that time, Republicans didn’t have the votes to repeal Obamacare and they knew it; but every month or so, somebody put it to a vote and it failed every time.

Democrats are in the same situation in terms of accomplishing what they’re talking about, now. They’re never going to get anything done about Donald Trump unless they beat him in 2020. Donald Trump doesn’t care about credibility. He doesn’t have any shame. His voters don’t care what he did or does. I’m happy to have a check I’m place, although I feel like Trump has done enough damage without passing much notable legislation, but I really see this turning into two years of congressional equivalent of Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test... a bunch of limp dick “see how bad Trump is” moments.

Nobody in America is going to be convinced that the dude is a crook by his tax returns. Nobody Is going to be convinced that he colluded with Russia. Everybody either believes it already or they never will.
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/poli...n-handel-concedes-georgia-congress/index.html

Georgia Democrat challenger Lucy McBath has defeated Republican Rep. Karen Handel to be elected to Congress, CNN projects.
Handel conceded the race for Georgia's 6th Congressional District early Thursday morning in a statement posted to Facebook.
The tight race comes following a dramatic special election in the district last year. Handel defeated Democratic newcomer Jon Ossoff in what was at the time the most expensive House race in history.

The district was heavily red just a couple of years ago.
 
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luthervol said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/poli...n-handel-concedes-georgia-congress/index.html

Georgia Democrat challenger Lucy McBath has defeated Republican Rep. Karen Handel to be elected to Congress, CNN projects.
Handel conceded the race for Georgia's 6th Congressional District early Thursday morning in a statement posted to Facebook.
The tight race comes following a dramatic special election in the district last year. Handel defeated Democratic newcomer Jon Ossoff in what was at the time the most expensive House race in history.

The district was heavily red just a couple of years ago.
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Yep, there's a big movement of white suburban educated voters towards the Dems
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I think we’re talking about two different time periods. What I mean is around the start of Obama’s second term. It may have been the back half of that term. At that time, Republicans didn’t have the votes to repeal Obamacare and they knew it; but every month or so, somebody put it to a vote and it failed every time.

Democrats are in the same situation in terms of accomplishing what they’re talking about, now. They’re never going to get anything done about Donald Trump unless they beat him in 2020. Donald Trump doesn’t care about credibility. He doesn’t have any shame. His voters don’t care what he did or does. I’m happy to have a check I’m place, although I feel like Trump has done enough damage without passing much notable legislation, but I really see this turning into two years of congressional equivalent of Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test... a bunch of limp dick “see how bad Trump is” moments.

Nobody in America is going to be convinced that the dude is a crook by his tax returns. Nobody Is going to be convinced that he colluded with Russia. Everybody either believes it already or they never will.
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100% untrue. well maybe 99%. I am someone who can be convinced. find me anything that will stand up in court and I will be ready to march on DC and get him the heck out of there. as it is its just sour grapes making crap up.

the republicans had something that actually existed to respond to. there was nothing to convince people of, it was there. 100% believed ACA existed, it was just what to do with it that was in question. in this the republicans were crappily doing their job.

fighting dumb Trump policy is a valid thing. even if its not so dumb and they just disagree with it, is valid as well. the tax return thing is not a valid hill to die on. now if it came out that his taxes lead to something and house dems pushed for removal of Trump even knowing the senate would never approve, that would be a very valid hill to die on. but they have the cart before the horse. but its more of the same "we have to condemn him to find out what he is guilty of" thats not how America works.
 
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evillawyer said:
Yep, there's a big movement of white suburban educated voters towards the Dems
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after it got redistricted in 2010/2011 it has been sliding blue. and really that is only after Tom Price left that things have switched. makes sense after a LONG time incumbent leaves for their to be a switch.
 
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Don't count Nelson out yet. Close to .25% difference that would trigger a MANUAL recount

 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s almost like... they want to ignore that whole constitutional republic government form thingie setup in that document thingie... what was it called? A constitution?
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When it doesn't work in their favor, yes. If the situation were reversed, Democrats would be using the Constitution as a defense against Republican critiques that they actually had more votes but fewer governorships.

However, as a general principle, progressives do believe in a stronger federal government than conservatives do. No different from the debate between Federalists and Anti-Federalists in the days after the Revolution. Hence, if governors in Democratic states simply acquired more votes than governors in Republican states, then Democrats should be provided with more power, in what way I have no idea, at the state government level. It's a viewpoint developed as if the states don't even exist.

The Founders, no matter whether they were Anti-Federalists or not, never intended the United States to be a pure or direct democracy. Again though, these kids of arguments, progressive opposition to the Electoral College, etc., is primarily a function of the way the Constitution is set up has caused a couple of elections to go against them recently.
 
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evillawyer said:
Yep, there's a big movement of white suburban educated voters towards the Dems
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Ex-establishment, business Republicans that don't like Trump.

As long as Trump controls the Republican Party, those types of voters are kind of left without a party. If they stay with Dems long enough, they'll be turned off by the "woke," SJW-type thinking that the party is known for. Those voters ultimately are moderate, business-minded people that want low taxes, a less hardline immigration policy, and free trade. Think George W. Bush-type Republicans. They don't want to engage in the culture war that the bases of both parties currently are engaged in.
 
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Democrat Rashida Tlaib Dances with Palestinian Flag at Victory Party

Democrat Rashida Tlaib danced wearing the Palestinian flag at a victory party in Tuesday evening, after she won a largely uncontested race for the open seat in Michigan’s heavily Democratic 13th congressional district.

Tlaib is one of two Muslim women elected to Congress on Tuesday, along with Ilhan Omar, who replaced outgoing Rep. Keith Ellison in Minnesota’s 5th congressional district. Ellison was the first Muslim elected to Congress. Both Tlaib and Omar have extreme anti-Israelviews. Tlaib is the first Palestinian-American elected to Congress.
https://twitter.com/KhaledBeydoun/status/1060027114618085377
In the video, Tlaib delivered a victory speech in which she acknowledged her family watching from abroad in the Palestinian Authority-administered West Bank. She dedicated her victory, in part, to the Palestinian cause: “A lot of my strength comes from being Palestinian,” she said.

After Tlaib won her primary race in August, she published several anti-Israel tweets, and re-tweeted a fan who declared that Tlaib’s “first fight was for Palestine, always Palestine.”

Tlaib explicitly supports the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel and its replacement of a unitary Palestinian state. That position caused her to lose the endorsement of the far-left group J Street — which, while often adopting anti-Israel positions, nominally supports a two-state solution.

Democrat Rashida Tlaib Dances with Palestinian Flag at Victory Party | Breitbart
 
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LouderVol said:
100% untrue. well maybe 99%. I am someone who can be convinced. find me anything that will stand up in court and I will be ready to march on DC and get him the heck out of there. as it is its just sour grapes making crap up.

the republicans had something that actually existed to respond to. there was nothing to convince people of, it was there. 100% believed ACA existed, it was just what to do with it that was in question. in this the republicans were crappily doing their job.

fighting dumb Trump policy is a valid thing. even if its not so dumb and they just disagree with it, is valid as well. the tax return thing is not a valid hill to die on. now if it came out that his taxes lead to something and house dems pushed for removal of Trump even knowing the senate would never approve, that would be a very valid hill to die on. but they have the cart before the horse. but its more of the same "we have to condemn him to find out what he is guilty of" thats not how America works.
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20% untrue, at most. 😂

Otherwise, I agree with most of what you said in principle. I just think, in practice, it will prove not measure up to those principles.

Once the democrats claim to have a smoking gun, Trump will say it’s fake news, and everybody will take the same sides they’ve taken for the last two years. Meanwhile, nothing will have gotten done about immigration, healthcare, or infrastructure.
 
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Broward County, where Nelson received 68.9 percent of the votes, was still counting early-voting, vote-by-mail and Election Day ballots. Palm Beach County, where Nelson received 58.4 percent of the votes, was still counting vote-by-mail ballots. If the breakdown of these pending ballots is anything close to the results so far, Nelson should pick up more votes than Scott.

In Broward County, 695,799 people turned in ballots. But only 665,688 voted in the Senate race. That’s a 30,000 difference, a remarkable disparity given the stakes in this race and the name-recognition of these officials. It’s a degree of undervote that is non-existent in the other statewide races on the ballot. For example, more than 690,000 people voted in the governor’s race. If the results as they stand are accurate, more people voted for Agriculture Commissioner than U.S. Senate.
So what happened? It’s not clear. Elias dismissed bad ballot design, a theory that circulated a bit on Wednesday. Instead, Elias thinks that either a machine problem in certain precincts or marking issues on the ballot led to thousands of uncounted votes in the Senate race.
If that’s the case, Elias said he expects those issues will be remedied in a recount, in which case Nelson is likely to further narrow the gap, given where this occurred.
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Good lord. Looks like governor race going to recount as well
 
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