2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Democrats swept the races for governor and senator in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan along with a bunch of house races. Also won governor’s races in Illinois and Minnesota while both Democratic senators from Minnesota and Ohio senator Sherrod Brown won re-election.

I think the Dems did well in the rust belt. Will be interesting to see how 2020 goes.
 
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McDad said:
They are in echo chamber of excuses. And all the chronically disgruntled libertarians become doting yes men nodding in agreement.
Im not trying to goad you. I agree a lot with Libertarian positions.
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So are you saying that you don't believe the "libertarian" label was the difference in his election? I just don't understand the comment in reference to the post. Yeah, some of us are in an echo chamber, and if I were just crying that "libertarians don't get a fair chance" or some other vague idea like that, I get your post. My post has broader connotation than libertarianism. This particular incident is a very good example of 3rd party problems in America. You win, then you change the label and get slaughtered.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Not sure who will step up. I think she will win, but I'd dare say the Never Pelosi part of the DNC wil give her a fight.
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They don't fight internally, the rich old white leadership makes a decision and the lemmings follow.
 
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roosterjbh said:
Democrats swept the races for governor and senator in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan along with a bunch of house races. Also won governor’s races in Illinois and Minnesota while both Democratic senators from Minnesota and Ohio senator Sherrod Brown won re-election.

I think the Dems did well in the rust belt. Will be interesting to see how 2020 goes.
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Normalization/rebalancing after how poorly they did in 2016. 2020 will be very interesting.
 
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1972 Grad said:
It's not like he was getting everything he wanted from the House anyway. Who cares if the Dems are in charge? It will give them a chance to show their true colors like they did in the Kavanaugh hearings. That can only be a plus.
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If nothing else, moving forward, Trump and his allies will have to think before leaping: "What will I say if the House finds out I am doing this and asks questions?"

That's a good thing because so far they have acted with impunity.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So are you saying that you don't believe the "libertarian" label was the difference in his election? I just don't understand the comment in reference to the post. Yeah, some of us are in an echo chamber, and if I were just crying that "libertarians don't get a fair chance" or some other vague idea like that, I get your post. My post has broader connotation than libertarianism. This particular incident is a very good example of 3rd party problems in America. You win, then you change the label and get slaughtered.
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Admittedly i am not familiar with his campaign after he changed affiliation. If you are, ill defer to your judgement.
My point is there can be other factors involved beyond the label. But libertarians at Reason are stoking the "ignorant electorate" angle. May be a valid take but may be one of several factors.
The electorate cant be controlled. As such it is a puss move to constantly blame them. Libbers need to focus on those factors which they can control.
 
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Best part is any judges that Trump wants to name, especially on the SC he will be able to name very good ones without having to worry about RINOs like Collins or Murkowski.
My prediction is Clarence Thomas will step down this coming summer and Trump can appoint Amy Barrett
 
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n_huffhines said:
So are you saying that you don't believe the "libertarian" label was the difference in his election? I just don't understand the comment in reference to the post. Yeah, some of us are in an echo chamber, and if I were just crying that "libertarians don't get a fair chance" or some other vague idea like that, I get your post. My post has broader connotation than libertarianism. This particular incident is a very good example of 3rd party problems in America. You win, then you change the label and get slaughtered.
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Libertarians need to work on branding and identity. Right now the party is viewed as a party of whiners with no platform other than legalizing pot.

Winning elections is all about sales and the Libertarians can't sell a life jacket to a drowning man.
 
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05_never_again said:
Eddie Glaude on MSNBC this morning said Republicans held on to the Senate because of "greed and deep-seated racism." You know, because only Senate voters are greedy and racist.

I love sports analogies, so I'll use one here. Last "season," the Democrats really disappointed and underachieved. They not only lost games they were expected to be competitive in, but they also lost games where they were favorites and supposed to win.

This year, they came back with an improved, more experienced roster and a schedule that was a little more favorable. They won everything they were expected to (House), won a couple games they weren't supposed to (couple of governorships, that House seat in Oklahoma), lost a couple games they were expected to lose (Donnelly, Heitkamp, McKaskill) and lost a couple games they had hopes for but weren't necessarily expected to win (Florida governor and Senate, Georgia governor).

Overall, they didn't have the magical, national title-winning run some hoped for (Blue Wave), but they did have a good showing, which was expected. Democrats did not get the repudiation of Trumpism they wanted. One area where I think there will be some disappointment on their side is in Florida. The Republican governor (Scott) was term-limited so that was there for the taking, but instead Scott goes over and takes a Senate seat from a Democrat while another Republican (DeSantis) holds onto the governorship. That one hurt, especially in a swing state like Florida.
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The House seat in OK was won because the incumbent decided he didn't need to campaign. But don't be surprised if she isn't an extreme moderate.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Impeach Foty Fie.
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You'll hear comments form a few of the extreme members about that, I would imagine. Playing to their base, you know. Saying incendiary things to antagonize -- just like Trump.

But I would think that there will be no real talk of that until the Mueller report is issued. (Assuming Trump does not come up with a way to block us from seeing it)
 
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lawgator1 said:
You'll hear comments form a few of the extreme members about that, I would imagine. Playing to their base, you know. Saying incendiary things to antagonize -- just like Trump.

But I would think that there will be no real talk of that until the Mueller report is issued. (Assuming Trump does not come up with a way to block us from seeing it)
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I hear that Trump is going to turn up the brightness of the sun and blind us all.
 
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hog88 said:
Libertarians need to work on branding and identity. Right now the party is viewed as a party of whiners with no platform other than legalizing pot.

Winning elections is all about sales and the Libertarians can't sell a life jacket to a drowning man.
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The irony is that pot legalization is on the ballot and winning. Libbers did all that grassroots work for decades and fumbled the ball at the goal line. Others picked it up and scored.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You'll hear comments form a few of the extreme members about that, I would imagine. Playing to their base, you know. Saying incendiary things to antagonize -- just like Trump.

But I would think that there will be no real talk of that until the Mueller report is issued. (Assuming Trump does not come up with a way to block us from seeing it)
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The Muelly report is going to be a big nothing burger and the Dem leadership knows that. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see articles of impeachment filed minutes after they are sworn in.
 
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McDad said:
The irony is that pot legalization is on the ballot and winning. Libbers did all that grassroots work for decades and fumbled the ball at the goal line. Others picked it up and scored.
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Most Libertarians I know have their nose stuck so far up in the air they can't walk in the rain.
 
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