2018 Midterm Election Thread

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BearCat204 said:
This guy is far from an antifa supporter. I couldn’t vote for straight line R because that’s the lazy way to do it. Actually listen to where each candidate stands and then make your vote. I do a bit of research on the ballot before I ever even open the door to the voting poll. JMO
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I'm just yanking your chain a little bra. I voted for a Dem in a local election, but straight line R in the national. And I will vote against Little Marco when he comes up as well because I want the swamp drained. I'll bet every single one of our resident FL socialists voted for Bill Nelson. Every. one.
 
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luthervol said:
I said religious charity was not worth less than other charity, but I never said they were the same. The difference in motive is also key which is why it does need to be stated.
What you have never seemed to understand is that I know that the surest way to have my belief rejected on this board is to actually state it.
The only possibility that anyone will see things differently is if they draw the conclusions themselves. I'll keep leading the horse to water, but I'm never going to try and make him drink.
I'll do the same with letting each individual compare and contrast giving money to a place of worship with giving money to other charities, and the impact that has on the chart that started this whole conversation.
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So, explain the difference between religious charity, as it pertains to charitable people. Of course they aren't the same. I'm asking you to take a stand, something you seem willing to do at times and unwilling to do at others. Explain how religious charitable donations shouldn't be included in the study about who is most charitable.

I propose that the primary reason your beliefs are rejected is that they are irrational and you are incapable of defending them outside of your most common "that's just my opinion", and "most people believe" escape hatches (while elsewhere claiming when people disagree with you that most people are idiots whose opinions can't be trusted). People reject your beliefs because you are a bundle of self-defeating contradictions.

So a good start here would be to stop posting scared and tell us what you were trying to get at, as to why religious charity shouldn't be viewed in the same way as your acceptable charity, and we'll work from there. If not, that's OK too. We know you're a coward. But you can't on one hand claim that the failure is on the audience for not comprehending while then admitting you refuse to make your argument at all. Again... It just shows that you are a cowardly bundle of self-refuting contradictions.
 
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BearCat204 said:
This guy is far from an antifa supporter. I couldn’t vote for straight line R because that’s the lazy way to do it. Actually listen to where each candidate stands and then make your vote. I do a bit of research on the ballot before I ever even open the door to the voting poll. JMO
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99.999999% of them are all the same
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
No, it doesn't. Yes you could have abstained, and it wouldn't have made any difference. Milquetoast votes to be offended by having cast.
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Well damn, I showered for nothing. I did vote for Lamar Alexander once back in his walking around in a plaid flannel shirt days. That counts doesn't it?
 
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volfanjustin said:
99.999999% of them are all the same
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And 99% of republican and Democrat politicians are the same. They care about one thing only. It’s why some of you look so stupid just bashing the other side. News flash: Both sides blow! Trump was supposed to be different right? He’s not at all besides his rhetoric. Deficits continue to rise at a ridiculous pace. He hasn’t drained ****.
 
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volfanhill said:
And 99% of republican and Democrat politicians are the same. They care about one thing only. It’s why some of you look so stupid just bashing the other side. News flash: Both sides blow! Trump was supposed to be different right? He’s not at all besides his rhetoric. Deficits continue to rise at a ridiculous pace. He hasn’t drained ****.
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Bull****! He’s drained any shred of sanity the left had.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, explain the difference between religious charity, as it pertains to charitable people. Of course they aren't the same. I'm asking you to take a stand, something you seem willing to do at times and unwilling to do at others. Explain how religious charitable donations shouldn't be included in the study about who is most charitable.

I propose that the primary reason your beliefs are rejected is that they are irrational and you are incapable of defending them outside of your most common "that's just my opinion", and "most people believe" escape hatches (while elsewhere claiming when people disagree with you that most people are idiots whose opinions can't be trusted). People reject your beliefs because you are a bundle of self-defeating contradictions.

So a good start here would be to stop posting scared and tell us what you were trying to get at, as to why religious charity shouldn't be viewed in the same way as your acceptable charity, and we'll work from there. If not, that's OK too. We know you're a coward. But you can't on one hand claim that the failure is on the audience for not comprehending while then admitting you refuse to make your argument at all. Again... It just shows that you are a cowardly bundle of self-refuting contradictions.
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There are so many misconceptions, misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and misquotes in your post I don't know where to begin. That's your 2-dimensional concrete problem. You latch onto what you think is being said and are never able to shake yourself back into reality.
Your first bolded statement: I never said it shouldn't be included, I said it should be recognized as a factor. A huge difference which you completely miss.
Your second bolded statement: Your choice of words "my acceptable charity" would imply that I said one was acceptable and one was not. I NEVER made such a claim. Huge point.
Your third bolded statement: It certainly seems as if the failure is on the audience for not comprehending.
 
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volfanhill said:
And 99% of republican and Democrat politicians are the same. They care about one thing only. It’s why some of you look so stupid just bashing the other side. News flash: Both sides blow! Trump was supposed to be different right? He’s not at all besides his rhetoric. Deficits continue to rise at a ridiculous pace. He hasn’t drained ****.
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Not supposed to drink on election day.
 
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05_never_again said:
I haven't seen Bharara as much on CNN, so I can't speak to him, but the thing that grinds my gears about Toobin (and other people on supposedly "objective" shows) is that he has this manner of speaking where he frames his opinion as though it is a fact. He's very effective at it, and if you don't know any better (which most people don't, or they are listening to confirm their own bias) it is difficult to detect. Brian Stelter, also of CNN, does this too.

I have no problem listening to a debate between multiple people speaking from a particular perspective - in fact, I quite enjoy it if the arguments are made in good faith and they are clear about what perspective they are coming from. A lot of conservatives can't stand Cenk Uygur, for example, and I disagree with him on probably basically every political issue, but he makes no bones about what his perspective is. I can respect that. I think he makes bad faith, disingenuous arguments at times, but he doesn't sit there and conflate opinion with fact.

What I can't stand is when someone sits there and presents themselves as a referee, then proceeds to make subjective claims that the coach of Team A has no clue what he's doing, Team B should have not gone for it on a particular 4th down and the reason they did go for it is because the coach has a low IQ, Team C has an ugly stadium, etc.
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Bahrara is definitely a liberal. But again, he’s not somebody who shrieks at senators in the hallway. His podcast is Stay Tuned. My only experience with Toobin is from there.

I have totally abandoned cable news. I’ll watch NBC Nightly News sometimes as I don’t think evening news channels are as interested in shaping opinion.

Most of my news comes from podcasts at this point. I really like The Daily Standard. They’re just more reasonable. Less shouting and generally when people have 24+ hours to reflect on something they tend to be more reasonable.
 
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volfanhill said:
And 99% of republican and Democrat politicians are the same. They care about one thing only. It’s why some of you look so stupid just bashing the other side. News flash: Both sides blow! Trump was supposed to be different right? He’s not at all besides his rhetoric. Deficits continue to rise at a ridiculous pace. He hasn’t drained ****.
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Take you dem glasses off and you could see he has been completely different
 
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luthervol said:
There are so many misconceptions, misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and misquotes in your post I don't know where to begin. That's your 2-dimensional concrete problem. You latch onto what you think is being said and are never able to shake yourself back into reality.
Your first bolded statement: I never said it shouldn't be included, I said it should be recognized as a factor. A huge difference which you completely miss.
Your second bolded statement: Your choice of words "my acceptable charity" would imply that I said one was acceptable and one was not. I NEVER made such a claim. Huge point.
Your third bolded statement: It certainly seems as if the failure is on the audience for not comprehending.
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You claimed to be leading horses to water. Then lead. All you have to do is state your argument and show how I'm misrepresenting instead of parrying like a coward.

First bolded: I haven't missed that. I've agreed that religion is recognized as a factor/motive. As a matter of fact, I've attributed that to you in that we agree that religion is apparently a motive that produces more charitable people. The second and third bolds are an extension of your logic if you disagree with that.

You're all over the place. I attribute to you that we agree that conservatives are more generous and it's because religious motives produce more charitable people. You disagree and tell me that's not what you mean. I ask you to explain, because the only other logic is that religious charity somehow doesn't count. You deny that's the point you are trying to make.

So, again... Treat me like the idiot you think I am. Tell me what argument you're actually trying to make. Either:

(1) Conservatives are more charitable and it's by and large a religious worldview that contributes to the delta between conservatives and liberals. We should recognize that religious worldview in action.

Or

(2) Conservatives appear more charitable, but that not actually true because religious charity doesn't count in the same way that "actual" charity counts.

Those are the two options I see. You've disagreed with both. OK. I'm giving you your opportunity to clarify, as I'm not trying to misrepresent you at all. State what you're actually arguing.
 
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Voted for a Dem for a judgeship.

The most important vote I cast was to stop the UA System Board from rewriting the rules so they can keep it all Paul Bear Bryant cronies on it. Unfortunately all the Bammers will let them do whatever the hell they want.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You claimed to be leading horses to water. Then lead. All you have to do is state your argument and show how I'm misrepresenting instead of parrying like a coward.

First bolded: I haven't missed that. I've agreed that religion is recognized as a factor/motive. As a matter of fact, I've attributed that to you in that we agree that religion is apparently a motive that produces more charitable people. The second and third bolds are an extension of your logic if you disagree with that.

You're all over the place. I attribute to you that we agree that conservatives are more generous and it's because religious motives produce more charitable people. You disagree and tell me that's not what you mean. I ask you to explain, because the only other logic is that religious charity somehow doesn't count. You deny that's the point you are trying to make.

So, again... Treat me like the idiot you think I am. Tell me what argument you're actually trying to make. Either:

(1) Conservatives are more charitable and it's by and large a religious worldview that contributes to the delta between conservatives and liberals. We should recognize that religious worldview in action.

Or

(2) Conservatives appear more charitable, but that not actually true because religious charity doesn't count in the same way that "actual" charity counts.

Those are the two options I see. You've disagreed with both. OK. I'm giving you your opportunity to clarify, as I'm not trying to misrepresent you at all. State what you're actually arguing.
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good luck
 
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volinbham said:
Voted for a Dem for a judgeship.

The most important vote I cast was to stop the UA System Board from rewriting the rules so they can keep it all Paul Bear Bryant cronies on it. Unfortunately all the Bammers will let them do whatever the hell they want.
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I tried too.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Take you dem glasses off and you could see he has been completely different
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You mean the guy who doesn’t want to cut funding for planned parenthood, said it to Hannity in 2016, and didn’t cut it during the last budget agreement? Or the guy who is against free trade? Or the guy who has said that Universal Healthcare was a good idea at one point in our history? Wait who is the democrat?
 
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RollinVol said:
MSNBC just compared Trump to George Wallace
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an underrated comedian IMHO

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