2018 Midterm Election Thread

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SpaceCoastVol said:
So because a candidate is black, they vote out of (s)kinship. It matters not whether or not the candidate is the better, just as long as they can justify voting for a candidate of the same skin color because their ancestors were mistreated. Wow.
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Not because their ancestors were mistreated... but because they perceive that fellow African-Americans are better able to relate to and sympathize with their own struggles, concerns and priorities.

...and the quality of a candidate does matter. I never said otherwise.
 
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Septic said:
LG argued that the words at the base of the SoL were some sort of legal doctrine? I didn't see that, in that case - I can say that I didn't make that argument.
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Obviously the words on the statue are not of the same effect as those in the Constitution. I was just struck, yet again, that those insisting on strict construction of what they like in a given sentence will suddenly start talking context when it comes to a sentence they don't like so much. Regardless of the source.
 
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C-south said:
Voting for someone based solely on race is racist. You can throw the word “kinship” around all you want but it doesn’t justify being racist.
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I have said this about a million times already but in the case of African-Americans it's not just the color of their skin but a sense of shared experiences, priorities, values and concerns in a society which has oppressed and discriminated against them.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm sure that African-Americans still want that... It's also understandable that when a fellow African-American is on a ballot and they have a chance to vote for them... they do.
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With two candidates, one black and one white, to vote for one because they are black is to NOT vote for the other because they are white. And vice versa. To vote for one due to skin color is also to not vote for the other due to skin color. The logic is inescapable,and it is inherently racist.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Not because their ancestors were mistreated... but because they perceive that fellow African-Americans are better able to relate to and sympathize with their own struggles, concerns and priorities.

...and the quality of a candidate does matter. I never said otherwise.
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Yeah they have so much in common with a Yale Law School graduate. Struggles and all. Shared experiences. Is that correct?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I have said this about a million times already but in the case of African-Americans it's not just the color of their skin but a sense of shared experiences, priorities, values and concerns in a society which has oppressed and discriminated against them.
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Oh bs. You cured racism, congratulations! If a black guy and a white guy apply for a job it’s ok for me to just hire the white guy out of a feeling of “kinship”, qualifications do not matter.
 
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I like that a white dude is explaining to other white dudes the assumed thought processes that black people use to vote. It reminds me of when my 4 year old very confidently explains to me what the dogs are saying when they bark at each other.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I have said this about a million times already but in the case of African-Americans it's not just the color of their skin but a sense of shared experiences, priorities, values and concerns in a society which has oppressed and discriminated against them.
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If a white person said they voted for white candidates for the same reasons, it would be called racism, not kinship. And before you point out the discrimination part, remember we live in a society where more and more we are being told being a white male is a bad thing. Grouping people together by skin color rather than measuring an in individual on his/her own merits is racism, IMO. As a society we'd be better off if we stopped focusing on the color of a person's skin and started focusing on the idea that they are simply a person. Defending bias in no way helps to solve the overall problem.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
With two candidates, one black and one white, to vote for one because they are black is to NOT vote for the other because they are white. And vice versa. To vote for one due to skin color is also to not vote for the other due to skin color. The logic is inescapable,and it is inherently racist.
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No, it's not and your post shows an incomplete understanding of what racism is. This isn't African-Americans voting for a candidate solely because of the color of their skin; but because they (in the majority of cases) perceive fellow African-Americans to be better able to understand and sympathize with (and then address) issues which are most important to them.
 
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Weezer said:
If a white person said they voted for white candidates for the same reasons, it would be called racism, not kinship. And before you point out the discrimination part, remember we live in a society where more and more we are being told being a white male is a bad thing. Grouping people together by skin color rather than measuring an in individual on his/her own merits is racism, IMO. As a society we'd be better off if we stopped focusing on the color of a person's skin and started focusing on the idea that they are simply a person. Defending bias in no way helps to solve the overall problem.
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But you're still trying to equate the experience of blacks in this country to whites and you just can't do that.... and what I put in bold is not the definition of racism.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, it's not and your post shows an incomplete understanding of what racism is. This isn't African-Americans voting for a candidate solely because of the color of their skin; but because they (in the majority of cases) perceive fellow African-Americans to be better able to understand and sympathize with (and then address) issues which are most important to them.
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It's to discriminate against a candidate because of their skin color, which is racism.

You are being intellectually dishonest by trying to enforce a narrow definition of racism because you know you have painted yourself into a corner. Per Merriam-Webster:

racial prejudice or discrimination
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Again, when they decided to vote for a candidate based on the color of their skin, they decided not to because of the color of the other skin. That's racial discrimination, and the definition of racism.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's to discriminate against a candidate because of their skin color, which is racism.

You are being intellectually dishonest but going to enforce a narrow definition of racism because you know you have poisoned yourself into a corner. Per Merriam-Webster:
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racism - (posted earlier too) prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
But you're still trying to equate the experience of blacks in this country to whites and you just can't do that.... and what I put in bold is not the definition of racism.
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So all blacks have shared the same experiences? They are not individuals, but rather a collective mass? You do realize that's an idiotic argument, correct? Color continues to be an issue in this country because people on all sides continue to make it an issue.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
racism - (posted earlier too) prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
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Are you calling the Webster dictionary a liar? I cut and pasted their definition three directly. Again, you are tying to force a narrow definition to walk out of here on wet paint. You can't do it.

SINCE 1828
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racism
noun

rac·ism | \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- \
Definition of racism

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a: a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b: a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination
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BowlBrother85 said:
But you're still trying to equate the experience of blacks in this country to whites and you just can't do that.... and what I put in bold is not the definition of racism.
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What experiences do they have that aren’t the results of their actions?
 
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Weezer said:
So all blacks have shared the same experiences? They are not individuals, but rather a collective mass? You do realize that's an idiotic argument, correct? Color continues to be an issue in this country because people on all sides continue to make it an issue.
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I, of course, didn't say that at all ... but when they have an opportunity to vote for a fellow African-American candidate for office, they will usually do it because they (in the majority of cases) perceive the fellow African-American candidate to be more willing to sympathize with their concerns and also take seriously, issues which are most important to them.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
racism - (posted earlier too) prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
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So it's okay for a white person to only like white people as long as he doesn't believe whites are superior? Are you not hearing how ridiculous that sounds?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I, of course, didn't say that at all ... but when they have an opportunity to vote for a fellow African-American candidate for office, they will usually do it because they (in the majority of cases) perceive the fellow African-American candidate to be more willing to sympathize with their concerns and also take seriously, issues which are most important to them.
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I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is if a white man said he only voted for white candidates because he felt they were more sympathetic towards his issues, it would be called racism. You and I both know that. So why should it be different in your scenario?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I have said this about a million times already but in the case of African-Americans it's not just the color of their skin but a sense of shared experiences, priorities, values and concerns in a society which has oppressed and discriminated against them.
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Bull feathers you can dress that Sh*t up anyway you want it’s still called racism. If white people had that same kinship and told people that they only voted for their kinsmen because he’s white you’d called them a racist ... and YOU WOULD BE RIGHT .
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Your definition wasn't false... just incomplete.
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Ironic. Webster defines racism as racial prejudice OR discrimination. To vote for someone based on skin color is to NOT vote for someone based on their skin color, which is racial discrimination, which is the literal Webster definition of racism. See quoted Webster above, definition three.

Your definition wasn't false, just incomplete.
 
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