The QB Debate - post South Carolina (merged)

[Steven5198]

You obviously don’t follow much football because you can throw a receiver open on the deep ball even if there isn’t much separation. Yes, JG is a very efficient QB, but it is amazing seeing how many people come barking at his defense the minute someone criticizes even 1 tiny aspect of his game.

EXACTLY. One classic example of Guarantano NOT leading a reciever, that had his defender beat, all while making it a "back shoulder throw" was his jump ball to Palmer against Alabama. Go back and watch. Palmer had his guy beat on a GO route down the sideline, but instead of throwing to where Palmer could run under it he underthrows it about 7-10 yards. Palmer makes a great jump and catch that also leads to him falling off balance to the ground and getting a likely concussion. Ironically, this is the EXACT throw that some Guarantano homers love to refer to as THE lone example of a great throw he had in the game. It was not a good throw and this video proves it. Look as soon as Palmer gets into the picture and see if he doesn't have his defender beat by about two steps. The safety, nor the corner, would've had a chance if the throw had been more out in front of Palmer. Instead, he literally floats the ball to the inside of the field to where the corner almost made a play to break it up.

Amazing how Guarantano fans have a tendency to skew the descriptions of supposed "great" throws.

Go to the 2:45 mark for this supposed great throw...

 

[DVols33]

How many points did KC lead them to after halftime of the Bama game? What were his stats after halftime?

Well he ranked over 98 for his whole game performance on adjusted QBR.. that's higher than JG for any game this season, including Auburn which he played well against.

Second half we weren't attacking like we did the 2 TD drives before half. Whether the coach was trying to keep players from further injuries or whether he just wanted to slow things down, who knows, but play calling was not aggressive with QB under center and handing it off. We threw the ball 2 times on 2nd down the second half and none on 1st down.

2nd half recap:

1st series after fair catch debacle... guard steps 3' into back field tripping Chryst in the end zone.

2nd series - 15 plays
0 passes on 1st down.
2 passes on 2nd down (1 completion).
4 passes on 3rd down (3 completions) (2 first downs)
1 pass on 4th down (1 complete) (1 first down)
5 for 7 for 46 yards

6 run plays for 11 yards.... 2 plays we lost yards (5yrds total)
1 penalty for -5 yards

Missed field goal

3rd series
1 pass on 3rd down

4th series
0 passes

 

[Steven5198]

You obviously don’t follow much football because you can throw a receiver open on the deep ball even if there isn’t much separation. Yes, JG is a very efficient QB, but it is amazing seeing how many people come barking at his defense the minute someone criticizes even 1 tiny aspect of his game.

EXACTLY. One classic example of Guarantano NOT leading a reciever was his jump ball to Palmer against Alabama. Go back and watch. Palmer had his guy beat on a GO route down the sideline, but instead of throwing to where Palmer could run under it he underthrows it about 7-10 yards. Palmer makes a great jump and catch that also leads to him falling off balance to the ground and getting a likely concussion. Ironically, this is the EXACT throw that some Guarantano homers love to refer to as THE lone example of a great throw he had in the game. It was not a good throw and this video proves it. Look as soon as Palmer gets into the picture and see if he doesn't have his defender beat by about two steps. The safety nor the corner would've had a chance if the throw had been more out in front of Palmer. Instead, it was hung up to where the corner almost made a play and broke it up.

Amazing how Guarantano fans have a tendency to skew the descriptions of supposed "great" throws.

Go to the 2:45 mark for this supposed great throw. Again, pause when Palmer comes into view and look at how he had the defender beat and how a better throw could've possibly even led to a TD

 

[GAVol]

EXACTLY. One classic example of Guarantano NOT leading a reciever, that had his defender beat, all while making it a "back shoulder throw" was his jump ball to Palmer against Alabama. Go back and watch. Palmer had his guy beat on a GO route down the sideline, but instead of throwing to where Palmer could run under it he underthrows it about 7-10 yards. Palmer makes a great jump and catch that also leads to him falling off balance to the ground and getting a likely concussion. Ironically, this is the EXACT throw that some Guarantano homers love to refer to as THE lone example of a great throw he had in the game. It was not a good throw and this video proves it. Look as soon as Palmer gets into the picture and see if he doesn't have his defender beat by about two steps. The safety, nor the corner, would've had a chance if the throw had been more out in front of Palmer. Instead, he literally floats the ball to the inside of the field to where the corner almost made a play to break it up.

Amazing how Guarantano fans have a tendency to skew the descriptions of supposed "great" throws.

Go to the 2:45 mark for this supposed great throw...

JG did underthrow that one but it had a lot to do with the pass rush that was about to get him. But go to 3:39 to see Chryst make the same kind of throw.

I'm not JG or bust. I just see people stretching the truth a little.

 

[DVols33]

Ok, listen. We get it. You don't like Pruitt or JG. I looked at your profile and your posts. 95% of them are talking about about Pruitt or our starting quarterback. It's getting old. Express your opinion, fine, but you've posted nearly 200 times and they've all got the same theme. Give it a rest.

Look if someone ask a question about a post then I respond or if they attack or whine about my posting then I respond... These responses are probably 90% of my post so it's not always me expressing anything, rather responding to people like you that believe others aren't allow to comment.

And if you don't like my post or comments then don't read them. Nobody's forcing you to.

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

Instant gratification society want wins now now now! Put in the more veteran qb who will be gone in 3 games after Saturday. Doesn’t make sense to me. Keep playing JG, let him develop. He has two more years and more live SEC reps are needed. It will pay off in the long run. No qb controversy to see here. It’s clear now KC was a quality backup gotten in the case JG gets injured.

 

[Steven5198]

Well he ranked over 98 for his whole game performance on adjusted QBR.. that's higher than JG for any game this season, including Auburn which he played well against.

Second half we weren't attacking like we did the 2 TD drives before half. Whether the coach was trying to keep players from further injuries or whether he just wanted to slow things down, who knows, but play calling was not aggressive with QB under center and handing it off. We threw the ball 2 times on 2nd down the second half and none on 1st down.

2nd half recap:

1st series after fair catch debacle... guard steps 3' into back field tripping Chryst in the end zone.

2nd series - 15 plays
0 passes on 1st down.
2 passes on 2nd down (1 completion).
4 passes on 3rd down (3 completions) (2 first downs)
1 pass on 4th down (1 complete) (1 first down)
5 for 7 for 46 yards

6 run plays for 11 yards.... 2 plays we lost yards (5yrds total)
1 penalty for -5 yards

Missed field goal

3rd series
1 pass on 3rd down

4th series
0 passes

BINGO. Just to let you know though. Geniuses on here don't want to see facts like that. I posted very similarly those second half stats last week. They're VERY TELLING. On the ONLY drive they attempted to do anything on they missed a field goal. They tried NOTHING the rest of the half. NOTHING. Some people just don want to see those facts though.

 

[GAVol]

BINGO. Just to let you know though. Geniuses on here don't want to see facts like that. I posted very similarly those second half stats last week. They're VERY TELLING. On the ONLY drive they attempted to do anything on they missed a field goal. They tried NOTHING the rest of the half. NOTHING. Some people just don want to see those facts though.

I agree. Can't really evaluate Chryst based on the 2nd half vs. Alabama.

 

[JMSqb11]

Bro no no no stop. Worley never had a big arm. Let me repeat... Worley never ever had a big arm. Seriously go back and look at his recruiting profiles and multiple different recruiting sources. He was a 3 star that excelled at the High School level and had a very average arm. Like I'm not making this stuff up. Thats literally what his recruiting profile says. Yes he was a fairly highly sought after recruit but none raved about his arm strength.

You don’t remember much then. Worley could throw the ball a mile. He just couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn. Anyone who’s followed UT football for years could see that. It’s amazing how far people will go for the tiniest of criticism of a player.

 

[JMSqb11]

Dormady didn't have a cannon and Worley DEFINITELY did not have a cannon. JG has a better arm than both of those guys. 50/50 ball or not, the ball has to be very well placed to give the receiver a chance to make a play on the ball. It is on the receiver to go up and make the play, but it is just as much on the quarterback to make an accurate throw that the receiver can make a play on.

Once again, accuracy doesn’t define arm strength. Both of those guys could throw the ball a mile. Just because they weren’t accurate doesn’t mean a QB can’t throw the ball far. Amazing how people twist discussions.... #JGagendaMafia

 

[Peyton_ManThing]

EXACTLY. One classic example of Guarantano NOT leading a reciever, that had his defender beat, all while making it a "back shoulder throw" was his jump ball to Palmer against Alabama. Go back and watch. Palmer had his guy beat on a GO route down the sideline, but instead of throwing to where Palmer could run under it he underthrows it about 7-10 yards. Palmer makes a great jump and catch that also leads to him falling off balance to the ground and getting a likely concussion. Ironically, this is the EXACT throw that some Guarantano homers love to refer to as THE lone example of a great throw he had in the game. It was not a good throw and this video proves it. Look as soon as Palmer gets into the picture and see if he doesn't have his defender beat by about two steps. The safety, nor the corner, would've had a chance if the throw had been more out in front of Palmer. Instead, he literally floats the ball to the inside of the field to where the corner almost made a play to break it up.

Amazing how Guarantano fans have a tendency to skew the descriptions of supposed "great" throws.

Go to the 2:45 mark for this supposed great throw...

Lol you mean the same throw where JG gets lit up and leaves the game? Delusional fans amaze me. JG couldn't even step up in the pocket and make a throw bc Mack Wilson came through the line untouched and layed the hammer. You're seriously gonna hate on JG for hanging in the pocket knowing he's about to get obliterated and delivering a ball downfield giving Palmer a shot to make a play? Seriously some of our fans are embarassing. JG dropped back 3 steps on top of already being in the shotgun and already had a LB in his face forcing him to throw off his back foot without an opportunity to even step into the throw. And he still slings it almost 30 yards downfield. It's not a matter of being a JG fan and constantly defending him.. It's a matter of trying to point out football to fans that seriously can't comprehend the full aspect of a play. People hating on this play are absolutely unreal.

 

[Steven5198]

JG did underthrow that one but it had a lot to do with the pass rush that was about to get him. But go to 3:39 to see Chryst make the same kind of throw.

I'm not JG or bust. I just see people stretching the truth a little.

I agree that it was the same type play. The difference in Chryst's throw to Jennings is that not only did Jennings NOT have a step, Chryst got rid of it early and put it perfectly to the sideline where only Jennings could get to it as he stepped out of bounds. Chryst also had someone coming in his face like Guarantano did.

 

[Peyton_ManThing]

You don’t remember much then. Worley could throw the ball a mile. He just couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn. Anyone who’s followed UT football for years could see that. It’s amazing how far people will go for the tiniest of criticism of a player.

I remember EVERYTHING. I have watched every dang game for as long as I can ever remember. My man just stop posting. Like seriously nobody... and i mean nobody has ever ever claimed Worley had an impressive arm except for you. Like I legit think you have to be confusing him for somebody else. The only guy that has come through in the past 10 years with a cannon for arm has been Bray. Then a level down from him you can mention JG, possibly Dormady. Worley is literally at the bottom when it comes to arm strength for a D1 college Qb.

 

[Steven5198]

Lol you mean the same throw where JG gets lit up and leaves the game? Delusional fans amaze me. JG couldn't even step up in the pocket and make a throw bc Mack Wilson came through the line untouched and layed the hammer. You're seriously gonna hate on JG for hanging in the pocket knowing he's about to get obliterated and delivering a ball downfield giving Palmer a shot to make a play? Seriously some of our fans are embarassing. JG dropped back 3 steps on top of already being in the shotgun and already had a LB in his face forcing him to throw off his back foot without an opportunity to even step into the throw. And he still slings it almost 30 yards downfield. It's not a matter of being a JG fan and constantly defending him.. It's a matter of trying to point out football to fans that seriously can't comprehend the full aspect of a play. People hating on this play are absolutely unreal.

Yes, that poorly thrown ball that resulted in two players leaving the game with injuries. If you want to see how the ball COULD'VE been placed then go to the 3:40 mark where Chryst gets rid of it quickly and places it where only Jennings can get to it. All of it was done with pressure in Chryst's face and yet he somehow also manages a little half step at the end of his throw to help make the hit he took a glancing one and not anything like Guarantano seems to like to take. Go ahead. Look at it. That is a true back shoulder pass. Not the garbage Guarantano throws up half the time. Again, 3:40 of the video.

 

[JMSqb11]

I remember EVERYTHING. I have watched every dang game for as long as I can ever remember. My man just stop posting. Like seriously nobody... and i mean nobody has ever ever claimed Worley had an impressive arm except for you. Like I legit think you have to be confusing him for somebody else. The only guy that has come through in the past 10 years with a cannon for arm has been Bray. Then a level down from him you can mention JG, possibly Dormady. Worley is literally at the bottom when it comes to arm strength for a D1 college Qb.

Nobody had to claim anything... just go back and watch the games he got thrown into his freshman year. Overthrow and overthrow 40-50 yards downfield. He didn’t magically lose arm strength. Amazing how far people will go when the tiniest amount of criticism is made.

 

[GAVol]

Nobody had to claim anything... just go back and watch the games he got thrown into his freshman year. Overthrow and overthrow 40-50 yards downfield. He didn’t magically lose arm strength. Amazing how far people will go when the tiniest amount of criticism is made.

He actually did lose arm strength at the end, but it wasn't his fault. Poor guy really got beat up.

 

[GAVol]

Lol you mean the same throw where JG gets lit up and leaves the game? Delusional fans amaze me. JG couldn't even step up in the pocket and make a throw bc Mack Wilson came through the line untouched and layed the hammer. You're seriously gonna hate on JG for hanging in the pocket knowing he's about to get obliterated and delivering a ball downfield giving Palmer a shot to make a play? Seriously some of our fans are embarassing. JG dropped back 3 steps on top of already being in the shotgun and already had a LB in his face forcing him to throw off his back foot without an opportunity to even step into the throw. And he still slings it almost 30 yards downfield. It's not a matter of being a JG fan and constantly defending him.. It's a matter of trying to point out football to fans that seriously can't comprehend the full aspect of a play. People hating on this play are absolutely unreal.

Lol... There's just no point, man.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Once again, accuracy doesn’t define arm strength. Both of those guys could throw the ball a mile. Just because they weren’t accurate doesn’t mean a QB can’t throw the ball far. Amazing how people twist discussions.... #JGagendaMafia

Of course it doesn't mean a QB cant throw the ball far. It doesn't matter how far one can throw the ball, though, if it isn't well placed (see Jamarcus Russell). That isn't an agenda. That's common sense.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

I remember EVERYTHING. I have watched every dang game for as long as I can ever remember. My man just stop posting. Like seriously nobody... and i mean nobody has ever ever claimed Worley had an impressive arm except for you. Like I legit think you have to be confusing him for somebody else. The only guy that has come through in the past 10 years with a cannon for arm has been Bray. Then a level down from him you can mention JG, possibly Dormady. Worley is literally at the bottom when it comes to arm strength for a D1 college Qb.

Not worth the effort. He is beyond being able to help.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Lol... There's just no point, man.

You got that right lol

 

[hUTch2002]

There’s a reason why the coaches are consistently playing JG. Chryst does have some better attributes but overall JG and Chryst are close enough to where you play the guy that will still be here after this season or the coaches may even simply believe JG is better. Chryst has 8 games in his career with 20+ passing attempts and has only hit 200 yards 2 times. He also is a career 55.5% passer. JG has 7 games with 20+ attempts and has 4 games of 200+ yards and 1 over 300. He is also a career 63.3% passer. Does that mean he is head and shoulders better than Chryst? No. But it does mean there are some things he does better.

 

[JMSqb11]

There’s a reason why the coaches are consistently playing JG. Chryst does have some better attributes but overall JG and Chryst are close enough to where you play the guy that will still be here after this season or the coaches may even simply believe JG is better. Chryst has 8 games in his career with 20+ passing attempts and has only hit 200 yards 2 times. He also is a career 55.5% passer. JG has 7 games with 20+ attempts and has 4 games of 200+ yards and 1 over 300. He is also a career 63.3% passer. Does that mean he is head and shoulders better than Chryst? No. But it does mean there are some things he does better.

You can’t bring up Chryst’s passing stats but dismiss his starting W/L record. I’ve seen that so many damn times in the debate. I agree that the main reason JG is getting action is because of his eligibility. But you can’t using KC’s passing stats to knock him vs JG but completely dismiss and yell “IRRELEVANT” when someone uses his starting record. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

EXACTLY. One classic example of Guarantano NOT leading a reciever, that had his defender beat, all while making it a "back shoulder throw" was his jump ball to Palmer against Alabama. Go back and watch. Palmer had his guy beat on a GO route down the sideline, but instead of throwing to where Palmer could run under it he underthrows it about 7-10 yards. Palmer makes a great jump and catch that also leads to him falling off balance to the ground and getting a likely concussion. Ironically, this is the EXACT throw that some Guarantano homers love to refer to as THE lone example of a great throw he had in the game. It was not a good throw and this video proves it. Look as soon as Palmer gets into the picture and see if he doesn't have his defender beat by about two steps. The safety, nor the corner, would've had a chance if the throw had been more out in front of Palmer. Instead, he literally floats the ball to the inside of the field to where the corner almost made a play to break it up.

Amazing how Guarantano fans have a tendency to skew the descriptions of supposed "great" throws.

Go to the 2:45 mark for this supposed great throw...

I completely agree. It was an awful throw Palmer had the corner and safety beat. If he had led Palmer it would have been a TD.

 

[hUTch2002]

You can’t bring up Chryst’s passing stats but dismiss his starting W/L record. I’ve seen that so many damn times in the debate. I agree that the main reason JG is getting action is because of his eligibility. But you can’t using KC’s passing stats to knock him vs JG but completely dismiss and yell “IRRELEVANT” when someone uses his starting record. You can’t have it both ways.

And where did I do that?

 

[k-town_king]

You can’t bring up Chryst’s passing stats but dismiss his starting W/L record. I’ve seen that so many damn times in the debate. I agree that the main reason JG is getting action is because of his eligibility. But you can’t using KC’s passing stats to knock him vs JG but completely dismiss and yell “IRRELEVANT” when sgomeone uses his starting record. You can’t have it both ways.

One is a TEAM stat. One is a personal performance stat. Yes you can.

Just because a qb is on a more talented team that beats up on some nobodies it doesnt mean he is good.

What was the final record of the team Chryst had his best win against?

He has never beat a winning team in a game he started and finished.

Team vs individual. JG is rhe better player. If we on the better team.

Not the same type of stats.