Pruitt gets 3 Years

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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Schedule is very favorable next season, especially if we can finally get that average or better OL.

9 regular season victories very possible next season. OOC games are well placed to get us ready for SEC games too.

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yeah, on paper, that's doable considering what we should return, and what some others are going to lose, especially some of the 2nd tier and lower schools in the conference. MSU won't be what they are this year, neither will KY or MO or Vandy.

USCe will look pretty similar to this year's squad. as will UGA and UF. Bama will be fine.

as for the O line, it's curious, cause if we get the guys we think we will, there's going to be an immediate shot of talent injected to the group. but i Wright isn't an EE, so he won't be here for Spring (assuming he comes here, but he won't be anwhere in the spring regardless). lss, even with the infusion of talent, it's going to be young. will be another interesting off season for the OL and their development.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, on paper, that's doable considering what we should return, and what some others are going to lose, especially some of the 2nd tier and lower schools in the conference. MSU won't be what they are this year, neither will KY or MO or Vandy.

USCe will look pretty similar to this year's squad. as will UGA and UF. Bama will be fine.

as for the O line, it's curious, cause if we get the guys we think we will, there's going to be an immediate shot of talent injected to the group. but i Wright isn't an EE, so he won't be here for Spring (assuming he comes here, but he won't be anwhere in the spring regardless). lss, even with the infusion of talent, it's going to be young. will be another interesting off season for the OL and their development.
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Maybe we will get lucky and get a full season out of Kennedy and Chance Hall. 33% chance we get Trey back...cross your fingers. And Richmond continues to improve.

Niehaus and Tatum were ok this weekend and Carvin/Jamir Johnson have high upside potential too.

Add in Wright, Morris and the other two 4 star OL recruits and we got something to work with.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Maybe we will get lucky and get a full season out of Kennedy and Chance Hall. 33% chance we get Trey back...cross your fingers. And Richmond continues to improve.

Niehaus and Tatum were ok this weekend and Carvin/Jamir Johnson have high upside potential too.

Add in Wright, Morris and the other two 4 star OL recruits and we got something to work with.
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yeah, i agree....there's potential there. though i think Chance and Trey are both probably done. jmo. would love it if they could both come back in time to go thru the whole off season and be in football shape next year. just not gonna expect it at this point.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
• First year I expected an up & down season with improvement. I think Pruitt has fairly managed that well by beating Auburn.

• Second year I expect to be competing on a consistent basis. No, I’m not saying we should beat Bama & Georgia. I’m expecting to be competitive with the likes of Mizz, SC, UK, and Vandy.

• Third year I expect 9 or 10 wins the most by having a chance to win the East. Pruitt will have two recruiting classes under his belt with the players he wants in his system. If he’s not winning on a consistent basis by then, his seat will and should get warmer.

I’m not asking to be National Champs but I expect to be in the SEC Championship (Winners of the East) sometime from now.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.
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So you don't expect to beat Georgia but you expect to win the east? Do you see the paradox you've created for yourself? We don't have to be good enough to beat Georgia but two other SEC teams do?
 
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McCat said:
Get ready to fire him in 3 years then. You can't do a total rebuild in that time.
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Recruiting to KY and UT are a night and day comparison (since you are a cats fan). UT absolutely sucks this year but sits 14th nationally in recruiting. Pretty impressive for a team that is probably only going to win 5 games. We should be winning by year three no question. CBJ competed for the SECE in year three and there is no reason Pruitt cannot do the same.
 
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hog88 said:
Different eras, you can't compare then to now.
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True, it is harder now. Johnny Majors recruited 100 players one year at Pitt. Hugh Green and Tony Dorsett , both future nfl players , were both in that class. We have 25 now. My math tells me 4 should be minimum now. Fla was not a factor in those days or Ga. Bama, Auburn and LSU were the players. So, you are right, eras are different. It is much harder now.
 
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beamerman said:
True, it is harder now. Johnny Majors recruited 100 players one year at Pitt. Hugh Green and Tony Dorsett , both future nfl players , were both in that class. We have 25 now. My math tells me 4 should be minimum now. Fla was not a factor in those days or Ga. Bama, Auburn and LSU were the players. So, you are right, eras are different. It is much harder now.
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It's harder, more press and the money has made for less a less patient fan base.
 
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hog88 said:
Maybe not officially fired but Hammy was shown the door.
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Yeah, but not before he wrecked it unfortunately. Hamilton was incompetent, giving Fulmer a raise after a lackluster season then having to fire him when it tanked. Maybe a hot seat for Fulmer instead of a raise would have gotten us back on track.
 
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beamerman said:
Yeah, but not before he wrecked it unfortunately. Hamilton was incompetent, giving Fulmer a raise after a lackluster season then having to fire him when it tanked. Maybe a hot seat for Fulmer instead of a raise would have gotten us back on track.
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Hamilton wasn't wrong in firing Fulmer (should have done it in 05) he wasn't even wrong in hiring CLK, his biggest mistake was hiring Dooley in a panic. Should have just let Kippy take the reigns for a season and conducted a real search.
 
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hog88 said:
Hamilton wasn't wrong in firing Fulmer (should have done it in 05) he wasn't even wrong in hiring CLK, his biggest mistake was hiring Dooley in a panic. Should have just let Kippy take the reigns for a season and conducted a real search.
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Kiffin's contract should have had a much bigger buyout if he left after a single year. It was chump change for USC to buy him, and if we had made them pay, it would have offset some of what we had to pay Fulmer. Hamilton was just an all-around terrible negotiator.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Kiffin's contract should have had a much bigger buyout if he left after a single year. It was chump change for USC to buy him, and if we had made them pay, it would have offset some of what we had to pay Fulmer. Hamilton was just an all-around terrible negotiator.
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this.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Kiffin's contract should have had a much bigger buyout if he left after a single year. It was chump change for USC to buy him, and if we had made them pay, it would have offset some of what we had to pay Fulmer. Hamilton was just an all-around terrible negotiator.
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No argument from me there.
 
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malinoisvol said:
Johnny Majors approves this message.
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Depends on what you call a rebuild. JM Arrived 77 and won the SEC in 85. 7-5 year 3 followed up with a 5-6 year. best finish in SEC 77 - 84 --- Tied for 3rd (83)

Regarding Hamilton --- fired but way to late.... No only did he create a mess but had to deal with Pearl, violations from Kiffin, fundraising and the list goes on and on. Should have been fired but the Administration held onto him until Tennessee Athletics Department was totally underwater......Total loss of institutional control.

Just another rung where the Administration and Board failed to act in the best interest of the Student Athlete and the Institution.
 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
Man, I just have to respectfully disagree. Maybe if TN played in the MAC or OVC a turnaround like that is possible. In the SEC, getting 9 to 10 wins would probably translate into a top 7-8 team, nationally. We play Alabama every year. UGA and UF aren't going away. Getting to 9-10 wins in three years, from where we are coming from and against UT's competition, would be a huge accomplishment. It's unrealistic expectations that are going to keep us in a cycle of mediocrity forever, I am afraid. Unless Pruitt just completely craps the bed, he is here through 2022. My opinion.
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You may be right. Everything I thought I knew about this program has collapsed over the past 10 years or so. It may just be time to fold up expectations of being relevant and accept that we are bottom feeders.

I honestly just want to see us win again. Being associated with UT is becoming an embarrassment.
 
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Elhanan said:
You may be right. Everything I thought I knew about this program has collapsed over the past 10 years or so. It may just be time to fold up expectations of being relevant and accept that we are bottom feeders.

I honestly just want to see us win again. Being associated with UT is becoming an embarrassment.
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I'm never embarrassed, but I'm sick of getting sympathy from other fans. Other fanbases don't even make fun of us anymore...it's more like "I'm sorry y'all are so bad, that must be hard."
 
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Elhanan said:
You may be right. Everything I thought I knew about this program has collapsed over the past 10 years or so. It may just be time to fold up expectations of being relevant and accept that we are bottom feeders.

I honestly just want to see us win again. Being associated with UT is becoming an embarrassment.
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why does it have to be one extreme or the other?

how about we just acknowledge that this rebuild is probably a tad harder than a lot of folks around here thought it would be?

and that if in 3-4 years things go like they look like they could go, we could be a pretty good program again by then, challenging our main rivals again...legitimately.

if it doesn't go that way, then i think the last 10 years have taught us what that looks like, and what will happen and how it will end, and how it will start over again............
 
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BeardedVol said:
Kiffin's contract should have had a much bigger buyout if he left after a single year. It was chump change for USC to buy him, and if we had made them pay, it would have offset some of what we had to pay Fulmer. Hamilton was just an all-around terrible negotiator.
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He was a horrible negotiator to be sure, but his most crucial misstep was rushing to hire a coach from a pitiful pool of candidates after Kiffin left. The thing to do - and this isn't a 20/20 hindsight thing because people were advocating for it at the time - was to appoint Kippy (or someone else) as interim coach for the 2010 season and have nearly a full year to conduct a normalized coaching search from a proper pool of candidates.

Instead he had the shortsighted view of trying to preserve the 2010 recruiting class and not wanting to have 2010 go down as a lost season. As a result he hired perhaps the most in-over-his-head person in college football coaching history. If not Dooley, he would have hired another guy who was just as much in over his head. Nobody even worth interviewing, much less hiring, wanted this job in January 2010.

There wasn't one thing he did well as AD other than perhaps fundraise. He was a downright horrible negotiator, strategic thinker, and tactician.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm never embarrassed, but I'm sick of getting sympathy from other fans. Other fanbases don't even make fun of us anymore...it's more like "I'm sorry y'all are so bad, that must be hard."
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That’s what embarrasses me. We’re worse than a laughing stock. We’re nothing. Just a footnote on other teams rise to victory and success.

I’ll always love my Vols but I don’t think we value winning here anymore.
 
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Elhanan said:
That’s what embarrasses me. We’re worse than a laughing stock. We’re nothing. Just a footnote on other teams rise to victory and success.

I’ll always love my Vols but I don’t think we value winning here anymore.
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Depends on who exactly you mean by "we." I don't think there is anyone having anything to do with the program - coaches, admin, boosters, fans, that is indifferent to winning. I know Fulmer, Pruitt, and the fans want to win. I even think the boosters want to win. However, there are people involved who want to win on their terms or on the basis of a strategy they can claim as "theirs." That's a key difference. Fulmer acutely referenced this during the press conference when he was hired as AD. "It's amazing what can be accomplished when nobody cares who gets the credit." There are a lot of people up there who deeply care who gets the credit, and they want it to be them.
 
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