1,5,10, and 14

[ShoalCreekVol]

2 of our losses occurred in division games that were absolutely winnable. That sucks, no matter how it’s spun.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

No it doesnt.

I have played and coached basketball for 30 years. Your players respond to the truth much better than fabricated perceptions, especially at that level. You think our upperclassmen are too stupid to understand there is a big difference between the roster they re on compared to some of the teams they ve played? The last guy got found out really quick for not "being real" even when he had the talent twice to win the east. Stating the obvious is not throwing your team under the bus.

So you're saying that CBJ did know how to recruit talent? Or were his recruiting rankings fake and pumped up as some claim, leaving this roster depleted?

This team has more than enough talent to have won at USCjr Saturday night.

 

[FïreBall]

So you're saying that CBJ did know how to recruit talent? Or were his recruiting rankings fake and pumped up as some claim, leaving this roster depleted?

This team has more than enough talent to have won at USCjr Saturday night.

We may have had enough talent, but not in the places needed or the two deep..

 

[FLVOL_79]

It’s like the Auburn beatdown never happened around here. On the road, JG played fantastic, 1st SEC win since 2016. Fast forward to last night - lose on the road to SC by 3 with no Trey Smith and suddenly VN is “tired of what UT has become”. Buncha weak minded know nothings on VN these days.

Its what scientists call "an anomaly", plain and simple.

 

[thegasman54]

Gasp, are you saying the players failed to execute? Blasphemy!

Deflection ....typical

 

[G8rh8r]

The fact that we were in a position to win the GA and the SC game, while frustrating as heck, shows improvement. Maddening, but I’m encouraged.

 

[Sudden Impact]

The OP and the Supporters of that post seems to be the ones that understand the team dynamics better. What's more, they are the ones that have been on this board the longest and have struggled with the droughts the longest.

Some of us here have struggle through these times, in person, with
Coaches such as CJM,(7 years to Rebuild with 3 different Staffs) CBW (downward Spiral after 51 NC), CDD, CBB and for those of you who don't know it CDD = Doug Dickey.

CJP needs time. 3 years more than likely to turn this thing around....

Some of you think CJP can cure this Cancer with Aspirin....Those of us that know, Knows that it make require Chemotherapy and Radiation. Our players for the last 10 years have been told that the snake oil is working.

People going to complain no matter what....LOL....I ain't going to bash a coach or a person who could have won more rings and waited for more to come. CBJ and others got us into this mess and every time a New Coach Shows up we drink the Kool-aide.

8 games into the first season was never going to cure the cancer....I am sure that it is going to take time to fix 12 years of bad coaching, staff hires and a dysfunctional Administration to do so.

We would have been better off hiring David Cutcliffe and letting him go after 4 years if he did not cut it...instead Kiffin and Dooley started the downward slide.

 

[photovol]

The rankings of 4 of our 5 losses. Winless last year in the SEC and we lose a game we could have won and half of VN is in meltdown. Sorry just don’t see it . This is my 25th year coaching HS football and one thing I know I have learned is either your getting better or getting worse. It is about the jimmys and joes as much or more than x’s and o’s . I see improvement. I see a HC and staff that is actually invested in winning and can’t stand to lose. Yes they will make mistakes but we as a fan base can’t expect anyone to win the Kentucky Derby running a Shetland Pony , no matter how many Life Championships they have.

Is it too late for the Vols to Pony up?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Deflection ....typical

What deflection? Did they execute properly?

 

[DonDiego]

So you're saying that CBJ did know how to recruit talent? Or were his recruiting rankings fake and pumped up as some claim, leaving this roster depleted?

This team has more than enough talent to have won at USCjr Saturday night.

I think what is so frustrating, is after the Auburn upset, if we could have followed that up with a win Saturday night, we would really be feeling better about the program and seeing a shot to recruiting. We were looking good, right up into the third quarter. Problem is, we ran out of gas. We are paper thin in depth and the previous week going against the Tide just was too much. Scheming and execution played a part, but it's tough to execute when you can't catch your breath.

 

[overseasorange2]

It’s like the Auburn beatdown never happened around here. On the road, JG played fantastic, 1st SEC win since 2016. Fast forward to last night - lose on the road to SC by 3 with no Trey Smith and suddenly VN is “tired of what UT has become”. Buncha weak minded know nothings on VN these days.

You are just saying that because it's true!

 

[Pepe]

The rankings of 4 of our 5 losses. Winless last year in the SEC and we lose a game we could have won and half of VN is in meltdown. Sorry just don’t see it . This is my 25th year coaching HS football and one thing I know I have learned is either your getting better or getting worse. It is about the jimmys and joes as much or more than x’s and o’s . I see improvement. I see a HC and staff that is actually invested in winning and can’t stand to lose. Yes they will make mistakes but we as a fan base can’t expect anyone to win the Kentucky Derby running a Shetland Pony , no matter how many Life Championships they have.

There are a lot of examples of Shetland ponies winning in college football I think. Danny Wuerffel is a perfect example of a mediocre quarterback who somehow Steve Spurrier was able to turn into the ideal extension of his own self and play The Perfect game for his purposes. Part of the magic of being a great coach is finding that kind of chemistry

 

[thegasman54]

I think what is so frustrating, is after the Auburn upset, if we could have followed that up with a win Saturday night, we would really be feeling better about the program and seeing a shot to recruiting. We were looking good, right up into the third quarter. Problem is, we ran out of gas. We are paper thin in depth and the previous week going against the Tide just was too much. Scheming and execution played a part, but it's tough to execute when you can't catch your breath.

This x 100
And oh yeah you just lost your best OL and quite possibly beat player on team 48 hours before kickoff
The truth is the truth

 

[BeecherVol]

So you're saying that CBJ did know how to recruit talent? Or were his recruiting rankings fake and pumped up as some claim, leaving this roster depleted?

This team has more than enough talent to have won at USCjr Saturday night.

I've never said they didnt have enough talent. Your trying making a point I havent refuted because the other one is silly.

Dooley recruited some guys that made it to the league.
Go take a look at the band guys best 2 classes and see how many of those guys are on this roster now. The senior class outside a handful of DLs is non existent. He slipped in recruiting his last 2 years because his smoke a mirrors show had been revealed. Or basically word got out you couldnt trust him and everybody knew he couldnt coach Then he basically quit when he couldnt find a new place to sell his snake oil after 16'.

Anyone with a small measure of football sense understands what he left to manage for whoever the next guy was.

 

[volroadwarrior]

So........................who wants to play the lottery, fire the coach, and hire a new one and start over again-----fire the next and the next-------maybe we will get it right by 2030. Good luck armchair warriors.

 

[93AllvolSc]

There are a lot of examples of Shetland ponies winning in college football I think. Danny Wuerffel is a perfect example of a mediocre quarterback who somehow Steve Spurrier was able to turn into the ideal extension of his own self and play The Perfect game for his purposes. Part of the magic of being a great coach is finding that kind of chemistry

You say the magic of being a great coach is FINDING that kind of chemistry. I don’t know anyone that can find that in 8 games. Everyone on here that was hell bent for Chucky or Kelly what say you now. Where’s the magic... obviously they are better coaches than JP!!!! All I am saying is I see improvement in a way I didn’t see under the last three coaches. Given time and a good recruiting cycle I believe we will be battling for the SEC again.

 

[Pepe]

You say the magic of being a great coach is FINDING that kind of chemistry. I don’t know anyone that can find that in 8 games. Everyone on here that was hell bent for Chucky or Kelly what say you now. Where’s the magic... obviously they are better coaches than JP!!!! All I am saying is I see improvement in a way I didn’t see under the last three coaches. Given time and a good recruiting cycle I believe we will be battling for the SEC again.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. Part of the fun of college football is waiting for the magic to happen. In that way, the Saban phenomenon has been bad for the sport because too much of the unpredictability of it has been removed. I like the direction we are heading right now but that does not mean there will not be some pain along the way. The desire for Chucky was that he would bring instant notoriety and possibly a recruiting advantage. The people who wanted Kelly we're simply looking at what he did at Oregon and chose to ignore what he did it in Philadelphia. That never had a chance of having a good ending if he had been named coach.

 

[VonVol2]

Auburn definitely in everyone's distant view in rear mirror, but shouldn't be. I expected us to lose, as did most of the betting public. As with all of our games this year, except Bama, there's not been a total train-wreck game. Offense definitely showed improvement with strategy and OL blocking. The Defense regressed, and I think Pruitt got out-schemed last night on D...we didn't have an answer for the 3 TE power running sets SC threw at us, then we bit the bait and they burned us long. Good news is they played well enough to win...bad news is critical errors and poor tackling cost us the W. Letting them off the hook is probably what upsets most. I see improvement, but not sure if I see enough for two more SEC wins...but certainly possible if they keep improving. Pruitt's got us on the right path, but everyone just ready to consistently start whipping up on some folks

Agree with most of this. But UF game was a train wreck.

 

[tbones0711]

Its what scientists call "an anomaly", plain and simple.

Speaking of science......In a parallel universe J.Currie is still our AD and hired Leach who has us at 7-1 after just falling to Bama 51-48 in double OT. Our QB leads the nation in TD passes and passing yardage.

 

[Sudden Impact]

So you're saying that CBJ did know how to recruit talent? Or were his recruiting rankings fake and pumped up as some claim, leaving this roster depleted?

This team has more than enough talent to have won at USCjr Saturday night.

so your are saying that Jones would have won the game with his coaching and staff because he had talent. The years he had talent better than most other teams did not produce. (for example, Picked as Clear winners of the East and the result, Clearly handled Oklahoma for 3+Quarters and a poor decision to punch it in to the end zone and he kicks a 3 inch FG)

Butch recruited Talent, but not by need and did not know how to Coach Talent or how to build on it.

Brick by Brick with no Mortar.

 

[ChattownVFL]

I can’t wait for football season to be over.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I can’t wait for football season to be over.

seeing how actively you have been involved since 2014 (Dec) I can understand why...

 

[FLVOL_79]

Speaking of science......In a parallel universe J.Currie is still our AD and hired Leach who has us at 7-1 after just falling to Bama 51-48 in double OT. Our QB leads the nation in TD passes and passing yardage.

But what is his completion %?

 

[orangemadam]

Mistakes aside we were worn out the second half . We don’t have a 2nd or 3rd d-line rotation. We have a hodgepodge Offensive line that did not respond to a very loud and hostile environment. I felt like we should of won the game. I also believe we have a large majority of players that have not retrained their selves to winning. Both winning and losing is contagious. If being honest is throwing kids under the bus then I guess Im quilty. . Someone warm up the Greyhound .

I don't agree. Our defense was not worn out, they barely saw the field in 2nd half. Gooden and Bain barely even played. We just got out hustled, our D looked very confused, our LB got outplayed and our secondary looked confused and lost. Coaches needed to call a timeout or two in that last series to slow things down and reestablish some rhythm.

 

[Woke]

We all get we don’t have the horses right now. And most of us get we’ve finally got a staff of real FB coaches passionate about winning who shouid crush recruiting,

However I think what many on this forum are pointing out is Pruitt & Co. need to do a better job of coaching NOW.

We threw away an SEC road game vs SC that we had in hand and shouid have won. The questionable in-game decisions, the continued mistakes and penalties, sitting a fully functional backup QB in order to handicap an O around our starter, all of these things seem like rookie HC mistakes to me, ie someone more interested in installing a system than playing that specific game to win.

I think everyone could see we were fighting a war of attrition at SC so we needed to score enough points to hang on to win. Not just “manage the game”. Not with the fatigue on our sidelines. Our coaches failed to make the necessary adjustments to accomplish that goal in the 2nd half and win. That’s 100% on them.

IMO an experienced “rookie” HC like Mullen would NEVER have lost that game standing on our sidelines in the same circumstances. Again that’s just IMO. And I say that as a Pruitt guy.

Put as much lipstick on this as you want but everything else I’ve read on here are just excuses.

Final note: just as I pin the SC loss on CJP I give him offsetting credit for Auburn which was a gift from an SEC West man who knows Barn inside and out and exactly how to beat them. Not so much with FL, SC and the SEC East. And it shows.