Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[VolGee4]

I think the difference in a lot of these is frame. Lane Johnson got up to 280 after one redshirt year. Your frame can only handle so much. Tatum for example has gained about 45 pounds and still looks like a big TE. Johnson did not look small at OU. Richmond was 275 and size is not an issue in college

Well, I have never coached and can’t say that I can spot talent, especially which can be molded and developed at different positions. All I can say is that developing guys who came into college underweight is nothing new and done all the time. So much so, that the best NFL players did it. We just failed in our strength and conditioning development.

 

[BruinVol]

Look at the top NFL tackles. Tyron Smith was about 270 in high school. David Bakhtiari was 266. Lane Johnson was a QB in high school at 202. Terrean Armstead was unranked and couldn’t find a weight. Trent Williams was 290. Joe Staley was a TE at 225. Russell Okung was 250.

Joe Thomas, probably the best tackle in the last 15 years, was 270.

Not sure what other proof you need. What failed in our case was development and strength and conditioning.

Great post

 

[BruinVol]

Blitz. Our MLBs suck at blitzing and are a step slow. If he puts banks in there it's simply seek and destroy QB

I would assume you good only doing that a few times and get away with it but it only takes one play to impact the game

 

[Smokey123]

Yeah but in the mid 50s we were really good!!!

Since 95 the series is 14-10

 

[SSVol]

Michigan actually is competitive in most of those. We are not. try again

Loses all the time, but competitive. OK.

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

I'm nearing mid 30's. I grew up seeing us end a streak against Bama. Hated Bama. Loved every minute of when we were beating them during the Fulmer years. Have hated every minute of their domination over us the last 12 years.

I hate UF, UGA, UK, USCe, etc. But none will ever match up to Bammer. Now, in order for this post to stay on topic with this thread, we need to beat bammer out for Wright. That is all.

 

[Smokey123]

Michigan actually is competitive in most of those. We are not. try again

From 08 to now 7 times Osu beat them by 2+ scores

 

[RiotVol]

Wow!! Sapp is the most versatile LB that UT has and he is damn sho the fastest. He isn’t 220, he is 228 and perfect hybrid LB for pro style football.

This defense isn’t able to showcase his skills so well but the kid is solid!!!! Mack Wilson is a see ball and hit player, no knowledge of the playbook and definitely not a scholar of the game.... oh and can’t cover worth anything!

We can agree to disagree, I guess.

 

[Smokey123]

Well, I have never coached and can’t say that I can spot talent, especially which can be molded and developed at different positions. All I can say is that developing guys who came into college underweight is nothing new and done all the time. So much so, that the best NFL players did it. We just failed in our strength and conditioning development.

Oh I definitely agree with you. I just think there’s also certain players that have been held back by their frame just as much as S&C

 

[butchna]

@Tidal Surge

Latest out on Evan Neal is that he’s really tight with Mark Richt. Think the Tide end up “passing” on both?

 

[SergeantVol]

Our QBs need military grade body armor. Sarge... you on that?

On it

 

[wrangler]

I’m 33 but remember a decade or so where we didn’t pay Bama much mind. I guess it depends on how you define rivalry. To me, rivalry is about tradition, about everything that’s happened for decades. Rivalries don't disappear because you’re discouraged with recent results. In fact, it’s supposed to strengthen your resolve.

To each their own I suppose.

I'm with you. Going through a period where the teams' performances aren't even close doesn't make a rivalry not relevant. The rivalry's gone, or irrelevant, when the teams and fans cease to feel it. A lot of us still feel this one, at least here on the geriatric bench.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Guys/gals, prayers would be appreciated. My dad, 80 YO, rolled his 4 wheeler while hunting this afternoon. He's in pain. We think he's cracked a rib or two. He's in good spirits and we're waiting to get a CT scan. He should be fine but your prayers would be appreciated.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

VS

Lol at the people who tried to create the narrative that Butch was an alpha in his time here. First time I saw that picture I started having doubts.

 

[engineerVOL]

Guys/gals, prayers would be appreciated. My dad, 80 YO, rolled his 4 wheeler while hunting this afternoon. He's in pain. We think he's cracked a rib or two. He's in good spirits and we're waiting to get a CT scan. He should be fine but your prayers would be appreciated.

Your pops sounds like a hardass who will pull through.

 

[butchna]

Guys/gals, prayers would be appreciated. My dad, 80 YO, rolled his 4 wheeler while hunting this afternoon. He's in pain. We think he's cracked a rib or two. He's in good spirits and we're waiting to get a CT scan. He should be fine but your prayers would be appreciated.

Prayers out.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

I’m 25 and hate Bama on a completely different level than any other team including Florida

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Pretty sure they told him just to worry about school.

Classic example of a recruit who people tried every way in the world to talk themselves in to. "This dude is for sure getting a bump!" "Butch Stones!!" "This guy's measurable are SICK!!" "WTH are these recruiting sites thinking?!" So on and so forth. It's ridiculous.

 

[wrangler]

I’m 25 and hate Bama on a completely different level than any other team including Florida

Somebody raised you right.

 

[chavisut]

Classic example of a recruit who people tried every way in the world to talk themselves in to. "This dude is for sure getting a bump!" "Butch Stones!!" "This guy's measurable are SICK!!" "WTH are these recruiting sites thinking?!" So on and so forth. It's ridiculous.

He was a top 100 recruit before injury.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Wow!! Sapp is the most versatile LB that UT has and he is damn sho the fastest. He isn’t 220, he is 228 and perfect hybrid LB for pro style football.

This defense isn’t able to showcase his skills so well but the kid is solid!!!! Mack Wilson is a see ball and hit player, no knowledge of the playbook and definitely not a scholar of the game.... oh and can’t cover worth anything!

So you're pretending that Sapp is better than Mack Wilson? I'd take a trade myself.

 

[Vols4us]

For some of you disputing JG has not been getting the pre-snap reads, pay close attention to the following statement from CJP posted in David Ubben's current article in The Athletic. You don't have to agree or believe anything some of us post. You don't have to agree with CJP's comments below either.

“We have to be able to block the guys up front,” he said. “We still have way too many mental errors on the offensive line and the quarterback, tight end, wide receiver positions. You should know what to do. I’m talking about getting in the correct stance, stepping with the right foot. There’s lots of ways, when you talk about running the football, you can say, ‘Hey, you know I’m going to run zone to the left side over here,’ and you know you have to guard the tackle and the tight end.”

You can hear some of the same frustrations he had with the defense after the Alabama game for not doing basic things correctly. He also implied that Guarantano and offensive coordinator Tyson Helton shoulder some of the responsibility for the issues. It’s not all on the offensive line and blockers.

“If they put five guys over there, you probably shouldn’t run that way,” he said. “Well, to give your guys a chance, you need to have ways out of it. When we make checks and things like that, you have to be able to adapt and understand where the mike (linebacker) is at and where we’re going from there. To me, that’s where some of the issues have shown up. If you’re going to run the football, you have to have RPOs set up. Maybe you can’t block a defender there. Well, the answer is, you have an RPO behind it. Well, that comes on the quarterback getting the ball out of his hands, so there’s lots of different ways. You can go back to the good old-fashioned hat-on-a-hat, everybody’s fitted up, but maybe we get defeated there. Sometimes your running backs have to run the ball the right way, too, so there’s lots of things that go into it.”

 

[volfanCLT]

Classic example of a recruit who people tried every way in the world to talk themselves in to. "This dude is for sure getting a bump!" "Butch Stones!!" "This guy's measurable are SICK!!" "WTH are these recruiting sites thinking?!" So on and so forth. It's ridiculous.

He was a top 100 recruit before injury.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

He was a top 100 recruit before injury.

Low rated three star his senior year on both 247 and Rivals. There were plenty if those types of comments going around.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

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Get the facts straight doo doo