Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[volfanCLT]

Gucci must hate that Ohio State Michigan is considered a rivalry.

Buckeyes have won 15 of the last 17.

DEAD! DEAD I tell you!

 

[volinbama256]

Curious so looked it up. Listed are our guys weights coming out of HS.

Richmond - 275
Tatum - 260
Johnson - 245
Niehaus - 250
Brooks - 255

Look at those weights... SMH-- damn Botch, Div ll linemen are bigger ... sheesh. I know they've all worked hard and gained weight, but it's easier to mold when you are already pushing 300 like the guys we are now getting.

 

[volfanCLT]

 

[Kingston Vol]

It explains why our linemen move around so poorly. They’re all holding weight they’re not comfortable with.

 

[volinbama256]

short throws, quick slants, 10-15 yd throws max, RB's out in space-- that's our only hope if the OL is going to succeed.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Gucci must hate that Ohio State Michigan is considered a rivalry.

Buckeyes have won 15 of the last 17.

DEAD! DEAD I tell you!

Michigan actually is competitive in most of those. We are not. try again

 

[Geaux_Vols]

It is a (an?) historic rivalry. I'm 33, and it has been neither competitive nor important to the college football landscape for most of my life, but especially the last third.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

It is a (an?) historic rivalry. I'm 33, and it has been neither competitive nor important to the college football landscape for most of my life, but especially the last third.

Yeah but in the mid 50s we were really good!!!

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Anyone know about Devante Brooks? He started the last 4 games at RT, Roster says he’s up to 290. Staff really low on him or a few more injuries and we could possibly see him?

Just not good enough IMO

 

[BruinVol]

Just not good enough IMO

Injury destroyed him imo

 

[VolGee4]

Plenty wrong with doing that. You end up where we are, starting guys who are way too small and get rag dolled in SEC play

Noticeable difference between our OL and top level SEC OLs.

I agree with Bruin in that it’s fine to take a couple of guys who don’t weigh enough out of high school as long as they don’t play right away and have a very good S&C program. That didn’t quite happen in our case.

It’s about attitude and strength.

 

[you]

FWIW, all four of the VQ writers picked us to lose this weekend.

Unfortunately they’re usually right about us

 

[Ron Swanson]

Rivalries go in cycles. Many ups and downs. When I was in high school and at UT in the 90s and early ‘00s the Vols dominated Bama. Florida was the much more hated rival. Bama was a gimme.

Saban was hired and Fulmer was fired and Bama has dominated UT since. This rivalry, many times, has gone in long stretches favoring one team over the other. It’s not been a back and forth year after year like some other rivalries. But it’s 100% a storied rivalry nonetheless.

 

[HankHill]

Just not good enough IMO

Pretty sure they told him just to worry about school.

 

[VFLneedsSPEED]

He's listed at 220 playing inside linebacker. For comparison sake, Christian Miller and Mack Wilson are playing ILB at Alabama and are listed at 240. He's undersized for ILB, and despite having the most tackles, was there any time watching that game where you were like, "Wow, Sapp stopped that RB at contact?" If you trip someone or get dragged down the field, it still counts as a tackle, I guess...

Wow!! Sapp is the most versatile LB that UT has and he is damn sho the fastest. He isn’t 220, he is 228 and perfect hybrid LB for pro style football.

This defense isn’t able to showcase his skills so well but the kid is solid!!!! Mack Wilson is a see ball and hit player, no knowledge of the playbook and definitely not a scholar of the game.... oh and can’t cover worth anything!

 

[Smokey123]

Not a single Olinemen at Cincy in 2012 under CBJ was over 300 pounds. Only one starter 290+, 2 backups were 290 also.

Went from not recruiting linemen to undersized ones

 

[UTProf]

Unfortunately they’re usually right about us

What was their prediction for the Auburn game?

 

[VFLneedsSPEED]

People take seeing someone miss a tackle once or twice as always being out of place. When in reality if he keeps his feet like Pruitt is preaching he makes Those tackles. He was in the right spot twice on missed tackles but there are several guys that have old habits of diving and reaching instead of keeping feet and running through. Pruitt has gotten a few guys to change that from early in season to now.

Sapp missed those to tackles from over thinking, this is why his hesitation showed (slightly) on film. He needs to relax and play!! Play MORE, in fact.

 

[VolGee4]

Look at the top NFL tackles. Tyron Smith was about 270 in high school. David Bakhtiari was 266. Lane Johnson was a QB in high school at 202. Terrean Armstead was unranked and couldn’t find a weight. Trent Williams was 290. Joe Staley was a TE at 225. Russell Okung was 250.

Joe Thomas, probably the best tackle in the last 15 years, was 270.

Not sure what other proof you need. What failed in our case was development and strength and conditioning.

 

[Nashvegas31]

I hope I am wrong but I don't buy that Banks is going to play a single snap in this game tomorrow unless the outcome is determined.

Will be fun to follow

Blitz. Our MLBs suck at blitzing and are a step slow. If he puts banks in there it's simply seek and destroy QB

 

[Catbone]

Wrong, again.

Let me guess. You're over the age of 35.

To us guys in our 20s and to the teens we are recruiting its just another game we know we get curb stomped every year. It's barely a rivalry.

 

[Smokey123]

Look at the top NFL tackles. Tyron Smith was about 270 in high school. David Bakhtiari was 266. Lane Johnson was a QB in high school at 202. Terrean Armstead was unranked and couldn’t find a weight. Trent Williams was 290. Joe Staley was a TE at 225. Russell Okung was 250.

Joe Thomas, probably the best tackle in the last 15 years, was 270.

Not sure what other proof you need. What failed in our case was development and strength and conditioning.

I think the difference in a lot of these is frame. Lane Johnson got up to 280 after one redshirt year. Your frame can only handle so much. Tatum for example has gained about 45 pounds and still looks like a big TE. Johnson did not look small at OU. Richmond was 275 and size is not an issue in college

 

[Nashvegas31]

It explains why our linemen move around so poorly. They’re all holding weight they’re not comfortable with.

Lots of reshaping going on. I noticed osborne reshaped himself a little bit compared to spring when I saw him in auburn game. He looked slimmer instead of short and stocky. Probably why he started to get back in rotation. Kyle didn't look like he had worked out a single day under Butch and now he looks like a legit DL

 

[OHvol40]

Let me guess. You're over the age of 40.

To us in our 20s its just another game we know we lose every year.

So his view is irrelevant because you are frustrated with your own perspective? Once upon a time we used to learn from our elders rather than discrediting them.

 

[Catbone]

So his view is irrelevant because you are frustrated with your own perspective? Once upon a time we used to learn from our elders rather than discrediting them.

Tennessee used to be great. But all I've learned that we have had a terrible football program for over a decade. It's all us younger folks know. Its just reality at the moment.