To Protect and to Serve II

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Guess this is as good a place as any.

Have any of you watched the Netflix docuseries Making a Murder and now the second part? What are your thoughts?

I know the series is pretty one sided but it's still troubling for me, I really don't think these guys did it or if they did the police didn't have enough evidence so they manufactured most of it. A few things just puzzle me:
1. Prosecution says they stabbed her and cut her throat on the bed inside the trailer yet found no blood or any of her DNA
2. Prosecution says they shot her in the head inside the garage and found the bullet fragment but none of her blood, DNA or anything from her.

So these guys who are really mental midgets were good enough to clean the mattress, carpet and garage so that none of her fingerprints or DNA can be found yet one leaves his blood inside her car and DNA on the hood release. Also nobody reported her missing for 3-4 days, that's 3-4 days that these guys had her car in a salvage yard with a car crusher but they decide to throw a couple tree branches on it and not even take the license plat off.
 
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I lean towards them not being guilty, but regardless, I think it's obvious that police department and court is equal parts corrupt, scummy, incompetent and vindictive. The way they treated the kid who obviously had some mental efficiency was disgusting. Even if they were guilty I don't see how they proved it.

Finished the series feeling very poorly about the criminal justice system.
 
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hog88 said:
Guess this is as good a place as any.

Have any of you watched the Netflix docuseries Making a Murder and now the second part? What are your thoughts?

I know the series is pretty one sided but it's still troubling for me, I really don't think these guys did it or if they did the police didn't have enough evidence so they manufactured most of it. A few things just puzzle me:
1. Prosecution says they stabbed her and cut her throat on the bed inside the trailer yet found no blood or any of her DNA
2. Prosecution says they shot her in the head inside the garage and found the bullet fragment but none of her blood, DNA or anything from her.

So these guys who are really mental midgets were good enough to clean the mattress, carpet and garage so that none of her fingerprints or DNA can be found yet one leaves his blood inside her car and DNA on the hood release. Also nobody reported her missing for 3-4 days, that's 3-4 days that these guys had her car in a salvage yard with a car crusher but they decide to throw a couple tree branches on it and not even take the license plat off.
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I found Forensic Files on Netflix and worked my way through almost every episode (~350). In my expert opinion there is no way in hell you can ever totally get rid of blood/dna evidence like they supposedly did. If they slit her throat in that bed luminol would light that room up like a Christmas tree. Nevermind the fact that you would never be able to clean up every speck, the forensics team would find them somewhere.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I found Forensic Files on Netflix and worked my way through almost every episode (~350). In my expert opinion there is no way in hell you can ever totally get rid of blood/dna evidence like they supposedly did. If they slit her throat in that bed luminol would light that room up like a Christmas tree. Nevermind the fact that you would never be able to clean up every speck, the forensics team would find them somewhere.
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Did'nt I hear that both of them have IQs around 75-80?.... no kidding you
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Did'nt I hear that both of them have IQs around 75-80?.... no kidding you
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The kid is definitely subnormal. I don’t understand how he could be interviewed alone. Avery is certainly not much farther up the ladder. But honestly the LEO’s and prosecutors involved in the case don’t seem to be Mensa members either.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
The kid is definitely subnormal. I don’t understand how he could be interviewed alone. Avery is certainly not much farther up the ladder. But honestly the LEO’s and prosecutors involved in the case don’t seem to be Mensa members either.
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Avery's trial lawyers and the jury members weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer either.
 
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They’re guilty as sin. The show is one sided. Much like the Arkansas/3. Believe what you want, but there is way too much underplayed or flatly ignored in the docuseries.
 
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tim said:
They’re guilty as sin. The show is one sided. Much like the Arkansas/3. Believe what you want, but there is way too much underplayed or flatly ignored in the docuseries.
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I said that they very well might be guilty and the show is one sided but it doesn't add up. So either the cops manufactured evidence to ensure a conviction or these are the smartest dumb murderers ever.
 
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hog88 said:
I said that they very well might be guilty and the show is one sided but it doesn't add up. So either the cops manufactured evidence to ensure a conviction or these are the smartest dumb murderers ever.
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You have to consider the source of the information. The producers are creating doubt by controlling the information.
 
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tim said:
You have to consider the source of the information. The producers are creating doubt by controlling the information.
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It’s established that none of her blood DNA was found in the trailer or garage and that’s where the DA says she was stabbed and shot.
 
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hog88 said:
It’s established that none of her blood DNA was found in the trailer or garage and that’s where the DA says she was stabbed and shot.
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The bullet had Halbach dna on it found in the garage. Bullet matched rifle. Avery and Dassy cleaned the garage floor. Avery used a fake name, used *67 (multiple)while calling her cell, and once answered the door wearing only a towel when she showed up. There is more dna evidence. Slips my mind right now.
 
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tim said:
The bullet had Halbach dna on it found in the garage. Bullet matched rifle. Avery and Dassy cleaned the garage floor. Avery used a fake name, used *67 (multiple)while calling her cell, and once answered the door wearing only a towel when she showed up. There is more dna evidence. Slips my mind right now.
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The bullet did have her DNA on it but no bone residue although it went through her skull twice which is remarkable for a .22 in itself.

There is no way these two yahoos were able to clean that trailer and garage to the point NO blood could be found. It’s not easy getting bloood out of a mattress and carpet. Also Avery was stupid enough to leave his blood in her from a cut on his hand but smart enough to wipe all of his fingerprints?
 
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hog88 said:
The bullet did have her DNA on it but no bone residue although it went through her skull twice which is remarkable for a .22 in itself.

There is no way these two yahoos were able to clean that trailer and garage to the point NO blood could be found. It’s not easy getting bloood out of a mattress and carpet. Also Avery was stupid enough to leave his blood in her from a cut on his hand but smart enough to wipe all of his fingerprints?
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Forensics are fickle. I think we’re looking at the same thing from different pov’s. Would you agree that he set the encounter up and is/was “interested “ in her outside of a business relationship?
 
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tim said:
Forensics are fickle. I think we’re looking at the same thing from different pov’s. Would you agree that he set the encounter up and is/was “interested “ in her outside of a business relationship?
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Yes he set the encounter up by calling auto trader and requesting an appointment instead of calling her directly (he had her cell number). I’m sure he was interested in her.
 
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tim said:
They’re guilty as sin. The show is one sided. Much like the Arkansas/3. Believe what you want, but there is way too much underplayed or flatly ignored in the docuseries.
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The West Memphis 3 is a very interesting case. After watching documentaries and interviews, I was convinced those guys were innocent. Years later, I did more research and watched recent interviews with the suspects and I’m convinced they committed the murders. I think they had help as well from at least one adult. I firmly believe it was part of a Satanic ritual and that they weren’t typical heavy metal outcasts as they were portrayed by celebrities.
 
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Good.

Georgia sheriff’s office posts ‘no trick-or-treat’ Halloween signs on registered sex offenders’ houses

A Georgia sheriff’s office doesn’t want trick-or-treaters knocking on the wrong door on Halloween.

Signs were being placed at registered sex offenders’ homes Wednesday to warn residents to avoid the houses, the Butts County Sheriff’s Office said.

The sign reads: “Warning! No trick-or-treat at this address!! A community safety message from Butts County Sheriff Gary Long.”

Long wrote in a Facebook post that Georgia law forbids registered sex offenders from participating in Halloween, which also includes putting up decorations for the holiday. Officers have posted the signs to provide residents a “safe and enjoyable Halloween.”

“As Sheriff, there is nothing more important to me than the safety of your children. This Halloween, my office has placed signs in front of every registered sex offender's house to notify the public that it's a house to avoid,” the post read.
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volinbham said:
Not sure if this video will work - what are people thinking.

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A little late seeing this.

Both officers showed professionalism and restraint in that situation. As for the 2 subjects shouting and screaming, not so much.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. One of these days they'll realize they should have acted with more restraint.
 
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