2018 Midterm Election Thread

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FLVOL_79 said:
You do realize there are more public assistance recipients on the democrat side than the Republicans right?
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Do a little research. How do states rank in net federal dollars taken or given? Now cross reference with an electoral map. Or maybe not, ignorance is bliss.
 
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luthervol said:
Do a little research. How do states rank in net federal dollars taken or given? Now cross reference with an electoral map. Or maybe not, ignorance is bliss.
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Would that analysis not potentially skew for states with large industry that create substantial tax revenue?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Would that analysis not potentially skew for states with large industry that create substantial tax revenue?
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He's also conflating federal dollars taken with "public assistance". As well as conflating Republican states with individuals who receive assistance. A better way would be by municipality within the states and that still wouldn't get you there.
 
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luthervol said:
lol..........
You are fascinating at creating your own reality.

"Fair share" has always been and will always be open to personal definition and interpretation.
I think an individual's interpretation is one of the best self-definers of that individual.
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But yet the best definer is the individual.

Awesome. Gates wants to pay more, I'm paying too much. You are ....?

Let it be done.
 
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luthervol said:
lol..........
You are fascinating at creating your own reality.
I never said the electoral college needs to be changed. You ASSUMED that and made it your reality.
"Fair share" has always been and will always be open to personal definition and interpretation.
I think an individual's interpretation is one of the best self-definers of that individual.
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Can you please expound on the bolded red? What does it tell you about the person? I had this conversation with Mick a week or so ago.
 
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luthervol said:
2018’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States

Take a look. Pay particular attention to California and New York.

The states least dependent on Federal assistance are predominately blue.
The states most dependent on federal assistance are predominately red.

Go figure.
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That’s all based on “net” correct?

I would imagine states like California & New York pay near the top in Federal Income Tax.

I would also imagine a state like Florida would receive more aid in whole dollars, than a state like North Dakota would as a percentage.
 
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85SugarVol said:
That’s all based on “net” correct?

I would imagine states like California & New York pay near the top in Federal Income Tax.

I would also imagine a state like Florida would receive more aid in whole dollars, than a state like North Dakota would as a percentage.
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Yes it's net. That's the only sensible way of looking at it. Some states take and some states provide. Kind of like people. (frequently there are legitimate explanations)

Don't overlook the fact that the states that are net givers tend to vote blue and the states that are net takers tend to vote red. Ironic on the surface, but not below the surface.
 
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#1,967
Orange_Crush said:
Can you please expound on the bolded red? What does it tell you about the person? I had this conversation with Mick a week or so ago.
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Not really.
Some are more concerned with the one in ten who abuses the system than they are with the 9 in ten that are helped.
Some seem to live in fear that an individual may catch a break that wasn't available to them.
If you had to split 100 points between these two statements how would you do it?
1. If people would only take care of themselves, everything would be fine.
2. If people would only take care of each other, everything would be fine.

How one interprets the "fair" share concept is an indicator to me of how they would likely divide those 100 points.
How one divides those 100 points tells me about their fundamental philosophical outlook.
 
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luthervol said:
Not really.
Some are more concerned with the one in ten who abuses the system than they are with the 9 in ten that are helped.
Some seem to live in fear that an individual may catch a break that wasn't available to them.
If you had to split 100 points between these two statements how would you do it?
1. If people would only take care of themselves, everything would be fine.
2. If people would only take care of each other, everything would be fine.

How one interprets the "fair" share concept is an indicator to me of how they would likely divide those 100 points.
How one divides those 100 points tells me about their fundamental philosophical outlook.
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We're still talking about tax money? Your proposition is that those who think taxes should be lower, and work to pay lower taxes, are generally selfish, compared to socialists who are generous?

That is your general outlook? Your personal "indicator"?

(Note, I've read you expressing this general belief before.)
 
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#1,969
luthervol said:
Not really.
Some are more concerned with the one in ten who abuses the system than they are with the 9 in ten that are helped.
Some seem to live in fear that an individual may catch a break that wasn't available to them.
If you had to split 100 points between these two statements how would you do it?
1. If people would only take care of themselves, everything would be fine.
2. If people would only take care of each other, everything would be fine.

How one interprets the "fair" share concept is an indicator to me of how they would likely divide those 100 points.
How one divides those 100 points tells me about their fundamental philosophical outlook.
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People should only take care of those they want to take care of. Not by government mandate. It’s that simple.

The government has proven themselves irresponsible with our money. They should never get a dollar more. And that’s both parties who f this up. I give the Dems credit for one thing. They are at least up front about stealing my money and running deficits. Republican officials like to claim they aren’t.
 
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evillawyer said:
Hard for Dems to reform tax laws when they control absolutely nothing in the Federal government. GOP had chance to reform tax laws, but my understanding is that for real estate developers and investors (like Jared) they got even more favorable tax treatment. Most polls I've seen show that most working stiffs have not seen any noticable benefit from the tax reforms. So yeah, this won't play well for them. 9 figure millionaires with zero federal tax liability pushing tax laws that create even more benefits for them, while average Joes pay thousands in federal taxes. Not something any sensible GOPer wants to campaign on.
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As a real estate investor, i say suck it!
 
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Orange_Crush said:
We're still talking about tax money? Your proposition is that those who think taxes should be lower, and work to pay lower taxes, are generally selfish, compared to socialists who are generous?

That is your general outlook? Your personal "indicator"?

(Note, I've read you expressing this general belief before.)
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It's more about how the tax burden is shared and the revenue spent.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Am I ok with States with large tax bases paying more in taxes?

If that is your question, my answer is yes.
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That is not the question I asked. Is that not taking from the states with larger tax bases and "redistributing" to other states? You are all for that type of welfare?
 
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