2018 Midterm Election Thread

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Grand Vol said:
Colleges, by and large, have gotten away from the spirit of discovery and turned into indoctrination centers of the thoughts the individual professors want you to know. It should have been a place where a teacher says "go discover this for yourself and determine on your own what's right and what's wrong" instead of spoon feeding students only what they want them to learn. Now, I get the fact instructors need to play devil's advocate from time to time to get their students to think of both sides, but they cannot and should not have a slanted approach to doing such things and slam the door on a reasonable discussion. Professors themselves have to be open minded enough to see their way isn't the right way and other logical points of view have merit.

Basically, college has become an extension of high school where cognitive reasoning is frowned upon and students must learn only what conforms to "the system" the professors want.
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@RiotVol wanna speak to this at all?
 
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Mick said:
More than I can count. I guess you are proof that your whole argument is BS.
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lol

You certainly haven't provided any contrary points to the matter.

By all means, have a reasonable discussion about it and provide your side of things instead of trying to insult your way out of the argument.
 
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roosterjbh said:
@volinbham a prof? Didnt know that.

I TA'd a couple of years. Never knew anyone in our department to ever ever give a political view. I will say it was a STEM department.
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Business prof for 25 years. For the most part our faculty stay away from political view points. I make a point of handling politics (regulation more commonly) with an agnostic approach. If you are designing strategy you deal with the political situation at hand rather than promote a certain view.

In the larger picture however the university environment increasingly embraces victimhood and actively encourages it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
lol

You certainly haven't provided any contrary points to the matter.

By all means, have a reasonable discussion about it and provide your side of things instead of trying to insult your way out of the argument.
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How much political subjectiveness can you put into any course? A student takes into a class more political bias than they take out.
 
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roosterjbh said:
@volinbham a prof? Didnt know that.

I TA'd a couple of years. Never knew anyone in our department to ever ever give a political view. I will say it was a STEM department.
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Yep, economics if I'm not mistaken.

Look, I'm not saying it's every prof and instructor out there, but it is widespread enough to be noticed especially at the undergraduate level. Post-grad studies, especially in the STEM field, are slightly different, however, not immune to political direction as views can (and probably will) come into play in certain areas. Take climate change for example. Perhaps out of your individual field, but do the Profs say "this person says global warming is not happening because of X, Y and Z. Can you prove them right or wrong with your own research?" Or do the research assistants get spoon fed the data the Profs want them to see instead of learning the "why" of such things? Because like it or not, climate change has become a political subject at the base level. Just an example mind you, but one related to STEM.

I'd dare say there are other areas, but overall, it doesn't take away from the initial thought on this.
 
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volinbham said:
Business prof for 25 years. For the most part our faculty stay away from political view points. I make a point of handling politics (regulation more commonly) with an agnostic approach. If you are designing strategy you deal with the political situation at hand rather than promote a certain view.

In the larger picture however the university environment increasingly embraces victimhood and actively encourages it.
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Appreciate giving me your view. Would agree somewhat to that last part as well.
 
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Mick said:
How much political subjectiveness can you put into any course? A student takes into a class more political bias than they take out.
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Really?

Let me ask you this. In your vast studies in higher learning institutions, did you ever come across someone who had a valid argument that was contrary to the instructor's beliefs that got shut down?
 
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volinbham said:
RealClearPolitics just moved their projection to +1 pickup for GOP in the Senate (52 - 48; Nevada added). Of note; prior to the Kavanaugh fiasco the prediction was -1 (50 - 50)
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I thought best case scenario was 53-47, but now 55-45 or even 56-44, while not likely, isn’t out of the question.
 
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Here is some of those smart Californian liberals!

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And of course the non libtard infected child beats them all
 
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Boston Vol said:
I thought best case scenario was 53-47, but now 55-45 or even 56-44, while not likely, isn’t out of the question.
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I don't trust polls to come up with good data these days. Let me say, if I get a call from "XYZ Research conducting a poll on behalf of ABC Network" I tell them to piss up a rope. Well, I give them a nice "thanks, but no thanks" and move on with my life.

I'd dare say I'm not alone in such things either. I refuse to speak to pollsters because sometimes the questions are loaded up front. People don't trust the media or polling these days and the results are often skewed. Hence, why we got Trump as President.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Really?

Let me ask you this. In your vast studies in higher learning institutions, did you ever come across someone who had a valid argument that was contrary to the instructor's beliefs that got shut down?
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Can't say I recall such a time. Most of my classes were comprised of lecture, research, and test. Not a lot of classroom discussions nor a lot of room for subjectiveness.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't trust polls to come up with good data these days. Let me say, if I get a call from "XYZ Research conducting a poll on behalf of ABC Network" I tell them to piss up a rope. Well, I give them a nice "thanks, but no thanks" and move on with my life.

I'd dare say I'm not alone in such things either. I refuse to speak to pollsters because sometimes the questions are loaded up front. People don't trust the media or polling these days and the results are often skewed. Hence, why we got Trump as President.
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My buddy said he got a call doing a poll, the first question was do you think the country is moving in the right direction or is it going off the rails? He’s a Democrat and told the person they should try to write less obviously biased questions.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
My buddy said he got a call doing a poll, the first question was do you think the country is moving in the right direction or is it going off the rails? He’s a Democrat and told the person they should try to write less obviously biased questions.
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"Is President Trump doing a bad job or a horrible job?"
 
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Grand Vol said:
Kinda proving my point here...
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Kinda not, unless there are alternative sciences out there. I'm sure there are the social sciences and histories where political biases could come into play with certain professors, but as I said, you take in more bias than you take out.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Yep, economics if I'm not mistaken.

Look, I'm not saying it's every prof and instructor out there, but it is widespread enough to be noticed especially at the undergraduate level. Post-grad studies, especially in the STEM field, are slightly different, however, not immune to political direction as views can (and probably will) come into play in certain areas. Take climate change for example. Perhaps out of your individual field, but do the Profs say "this person says global warming is not happening because of X, Y and Z. Can you prove them right or wrong with your own research?" Or do the research assistants get spoon fed the data the Profs want them to see instead of learning the "why" of such things? Because like it or not, climate change has become a political subject at the base level. Just an example mind you, but one related to STEM.

I'd dare say there are other areas, but overall, it doesn't take away from the initial thought on this.
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Yes. Climate change has become a cultural/political topic, but not in academia or agriculture, at all.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't trust polls to come up with good data these days. Let me say, if I get a call from "XYZ Research conducting a poll on behalf of ABC Network" I tell them to piss up a rope. Well, I give them a nice "thanks, but no thanks" and move on with my life.

I'd dare say I'm not alone in such things either. I refuse to speak to pollsters because sometimes the questions are loaded up front. People don't trust the media or polling these days and the results are often skewed. Hence, why we got Trump as President.
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Yeah I dont buy all the nice Beto stories and similar. Cruz will probably end up winning by 10, and I expect the Rs to increase their majority.
 
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roosterjbh said:
Yeah I dont buy all the nice Beto stories and similar. Cruz will probably end up winning by 10, and I expect the Rs to increase their majority.
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I don't expect it to increase by much. Maybe a seat or two. For certain, the House and Senate aren't flipping this election cycle. The latest Q Poll and CBS have Cruz ahead by 6 and 9 respectively. North Dakota will flip. I think Missouri will flip. Indiana is real close.

Depending on how well he comes out of the aftermath of this latest Hurricane, I'd also keep an eye on Florida flipping to Scott. That race is close.
 
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