2018 Midterm Election Thread

[GAVol]

lol.....that was the sales pitch that many bought into. The reality was just a removal of funds from public education to funnel into private education.

Not trying to sell it. I can tell you firsthand that private schools have encouraged people to take advantage of it.

Then you get into the whole debate of whose funds they are in the first place. It's hard to look at a Trainwreck school system like we've got locally and feel bad about someone using to steer money into an entity that is working.

 

[Mick]

Do school systems down there recognize the importance of technical skill based careers, or are they still driving everyone down the college prep path?

Good question, probably the latter. Another thing companies should offer more apprenticeships post HS.

 

[Grand Vol]

Finally, a true campaign ad.

 

[hog88]

Good question, probably the latter. Another thing companies should offer more apprenticeships post HS.

Some do but many don't want to waste the money on people with zero skills. We used to have a co-op program where seniors went to class in the morning or afternoon to take their trade classes and then to their apprenticeship with a local company. IMO that was a win-win for the employer and student. I don't know if those programs still exist.

 

[Mick]

Some do but many don't want to waste the money on people with zero skills. We used to have a co-op program where seniors went to class in the morning or afternoon to take their trade classes and then to their apprenticeship with a local company. IMO that was a win-win for the employer and student. I don't know if those programs still exist.

The co-op for seniors is good. I would like to see something, say fresh or soph year, mandated for voc training to determine aptitude that will put students on a path before the senior year.

 

[hog88]

The co-op for seniors is good. I would like to see something, say fresh or soph year, mandated for voc training to determine aptitude that will put students on a path before the senior year.

My buddy who lives in Australia says their school systems are divided between trade and college prep. He took the trade route and by the end his (grade 10) sophomore year he had a job, now he owns his own construction company and custom motorcycle shop.

 

[Grand Vol]

My buddy who lives in Australia says their school systems are divided between trade and college prep. He took the trade route and by the end his (grade 10) sophomore year he had a job, now he owns his own construction company and custom motorcycle shop.

And not allow children to chase their dreams of getting that Masters Degree in Medieval Southeast Asian Literature?

How dare they!

 

[BeecherVol]

Not trying to sell it. I can tell you firsthand that private schools have encouraged people to take advantage of it.

Then you get into the whole debate of whose funds they are in the first place. It's hard to look at a Trainwreck school system like we've got locally and feel bad about someone using to steer money into an entity that is working.

Its more about losing control of a failing government ran program to a better option.

 

[C-south]

And not allow children to chase their dreams of getting that Masters Degree in Medieval Southeast Asian Literature?

How dare they!

Full time activist and part time “professor” does ok I hear. Smear a couple dudes and you have a retirement plan.

 

[Mick]

My buddy who lives in Australia says their school systems are divided between trade and college prep. He took the trade route and by the end his (grade 10) sophomore year he had a job, now he owns his own construction company and custom motorcycle shop.

Good talk hog. We solved the problem with the American education system.

 

[hog88]

And not allow children to chase their dreams of getting that Masters Degree in Medieval Southeast Asian Literature?

How dare they!

Cruelty I know.

A few years ago we were on a cruise, stopped in Cozumel and ran into some guys who worked on the P&O ship docked by ours. They were all around 20, one was the chief engineering officer he explained that in England you can go to maritime school in 9th grade and when you graduate you're commissioned in their merchant marines. He went to sea at 18 as an engineer. Damn kid was abused!

 

[hog88]

Good talk hog. We solved the problem with the American education system.

Easily done if you get the unions and liberals out of the conversation. I'm proud of you.

 

[C-south]

Good talk hog. We solved the problem with the American education system.

The problem starts at home. Liberal indoctrinators that have infiltrated school systems haven’t helped.

 

[Mick]

The problem starts at home. Liberal indoctrinators that have infiltrated school systems haven’t helped.

GTFO.

 

[Grand Vol]

GTFO.

It has a ring of truth.

School should be a place where they are teaching you to open your mind and figure things out for yourself. To look at all the facets of a problem and come up with the best solution rather than being told "this" is the only way of doing things.

Certainly not the case now is it?

 

[Mick]

It has a ring of truth.

School should be a place where they are teaching you to open your mind and figure things out for yourself. To look at all the facets of a problem and come up with the best solution rather than being told "this" is the only way of doing things.

Certainly not the case now is it?

The problem started with the state mandated standards. It wasn't a liberal indoctrination plot. Teach to the bare minimum and that is what you get coming out of HS.

 

[Grand Vol]

The problem started with the state mandated standards. It wasn't a liberal indoctrination plot. Teach to the bare minimum and that is what you get coming out of HS.

And this explains colleges?

 

[Mick]

And this explains colleges?

Statement or question Grand? If a statement please expound, and if question please clarify.

 

[Matt2496]

Rep. Steve Scalise: When Eric Holder, other Dems call for violence, that's a direct threat to our democracy

This man would know about left wing violence.

 

[hog88]

The problem started with the state mandated standards. It wasn't a liberal indoctrination plot. Teach to the bare minimum and that is what you get coming out of HS.

Those came from the federal DOE, one of the first steps in fixing education would be to get the federal government out of it and then the unions.

 

[C-south]

The problem started with the state mandated standards. It wasn't a liberal indoctrination plot. Teach to the bare minimum and that is what you get coming out of HS.

Who did that? Libs. They want the smartest kid to only be as smart as the dumbest.

 

[Mick]

Those came from the federal DOE, one of the first steps in fixing education would be to get the federal government out of it and then the unions.

The DOE guideline was for the state to come up with their own standards. Curriculum: National and State Standards | Education World Federal funding and Meeting their own standards are tied together.

 

[volinbham]

RealClearPolitics just moved their projection to +1 pickup for GOP in the Senate (52 - 48; Nevada added). Of note; prior to the Kavanaugh fiasco the prediction was -1 (50 - 50).

They also switched one House race over to GOP - still looks like a loss of control but the margin is shrinking. Until the Kav. fiasco the seats leaning or solid GOP were 189 - it's now 199. Over the same time period, Dem leaning or solid have gone from 206 to 205.

 

[Grand Vol]

Statement or question Grand? If a statement please expound, and if question please clarify.

Colleges, by and large, have gotten away from the spirit of discovery and turned into indoctrination centers of the thoughts the individual professors want you to know. It should have been a place where a teacher says "go discover this for yourself and determine on your own what's right and what's wrong" instead of spoon feeding students only what they want them to learn. Now, I get the fact instructors need to play devil's advocate from time to time to get their students to think of both sides, but they cannot and should not have a slanted approach to doing such things and slam the door on a reasonable discussion. Professors themselves have to be open minded enough to see their way isn't the right way and other logical points of view have merit.

Basically, college has become an extension of high school where cognitive reasoning is frowned upon and students must learn only what conforms to "the system" the professors want.

 

[Mick]

Colleges, by and large, have gotten away from the spirit of discovery and turned into indoctrination centers of the thoughts the individual professors want you to know. It should have been a place where a teacher says "go discover this for yourself and determine on your own what's right and what's wrong" instead of spoon feeding students only what they want them to learn. Now, I get the fact instructors need to play devil's advocate from time to time to get their students to think of both sides, but they cannot and should not have a slanted approach to doing such things and slam the door on a reasonable discussion. Professors themselves have to be open minded enough to see their way isn't the right way and other logical points of view have merit.

Basically, college has become an extension of high school where cognitive reasoning is frowned upon and students must learn only what conforms to "the system" the professors want.

I take it you have never had to do a research paper.