You think hiring a proven HC doesn't matter?

[rgvol]

Who had orgeron?

Lmao true tho...

 

[rgvol]

Who had orgeron?

Lmao true tho...

 

[rocytop2624]

Kentucky beat Florida, LSU beat Auburn , Florida and Kentucky beat miss st , Florida beat LSU , Miss st beat Auburn, Texas am beat kentucky

 

[midtnvol2]

Nothing you say here makes sense. He had conflicts with his AD when the AD asked him to lie in a signed affidavit and got blackballed after that. He'd agreed to be the head coach here aka Tennessee, a big time program, wanted him. Davenport/Fulmer ended that. This is from the document dump after the FOI act request was made of Tennessee, this was from Leach's agent to the UT general counsel when Bev/Fulmer got involved. "“Thanks Matt, the people we worked with the past two days who are associated with the Vols search were professional and thorough. We negotiated earnestly and in good faith and feel we had reached and agreed to a deal." Also in the documents were John Currie saying that after his meeting with Leach, Leach was going to take the job. Then Bev and Phil took over and here we are.

I also get sick of the SEC is immortal stuff too. The SEC East is terrible. Missouri landed here from one of those "no defense" conferences you're talking about and has already won the SEC East twice. Texas A&M came from that "no defense" conference Mike Leach was coaching in too, and they've lost 3 games to the SEC East and 2 of them were to freaking Missouri in the past 7 seasons. They are 15-1 against the traditional SEC East. Comparing what he could do now after being a head coach for 15 years to what he did at a terrible program like Kentucky as an assistant 20 years ago is beyond stupid. It's ultrastupid. P.S. in 1998 against Florida, Georgia and Tennessee the Kentucky offense averaged 28 points per game. Georgia, Tennessee and Florida defenses gave up an average of 20, 14 and 13 points per game in the 1998 season. So contrary to some odd belief system, his offense worked just fine against national championship caliber defense with Kentucky talent.

Leach disciple Lincoln Riley put 48 points on Georgia last year. The entire SEC East besides once again, Missouri who scored 28 with a Leach disciple at OC, put up 44 points total on Georgia. So Leach offense guys vs UGA 38 ppg in two games. SEC coaches in the East that weren't Leach guys, 8.8 points per game vs UGA last year in 5 games.

Leach is a WAY above average coach who designed a system to be able to score in bunches vs teams with VASTLY superior talent. Oh, and his defense was ranked 14th in the NCAA last year in that "no defense" league he's in now.

Currie was acting solely on direction from Haslam during the entire Schiano/ coaching search fiasco. Bev saw the real Haslam and ordered Currie to stand down due to him going dark and not communicating with her. He was ordered to return to Knoxville because he was acting insubordinate and without proper authority. He didn't and continued on with Haslam's bidding. He was making an offer that did not have approval of his superior and wasn't signed by anyone with authority at UT. It wasn't a legal offer. Currie should have been fired upon return instead of being suspended and we shouldn't be paying out his contract.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

It is amazing that other coaches come in, get to work, and get results.

Tennessee is always a "process"

I despise UF, and hate they are doing well, but I kinda feared this would happen.

The more I see Florida this year, the more I realize how large the talent gap between Tennessee and many other SEC teams really is. We lack the speed and strength that the other teams SEC teams have and I include Vandy and Kentucky. Most of the "big Guys" we have are out of shape and can not or will not run with effort. We have two or three guys who have enough speed to break a long run or catch anyone from behind. Our players are just now beginning to learn that football is a game of effort and skill. CJP must change the character, attitude, and physical condition of our players before we become competitive. Recruiting for the 2019 and 2020 classes are crucial for Tennessee. I am trying not to be negative. I am just relaying what I have observed on the field so far this Fall. I believe CJP is the right person who can and will return our football to what we all want, but I realize that this transition will be difficult and will not happen over night.

 

[Jack Burton]

Our fan base is the biggest bunch of whiners. But daddy, I want to win now mentality. No one wants us to win more than me, but for effs sake stop crying.

Pruitt has a plan. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. I bleed orange and I am hopeful he gets us rolling. Our OL has to get better for us to effectively move the ball. I believe our defense will be nasty in the years to come. Better days are ahead for us.

That’s why these threads get started. Some believe we have a higher probability of success if we hire a proven HC. Less guessing and hoping like when we hire an assistant who has to learn on the job.

Others assure us that “________ was never coming here.” Like they talked to the guy.

And if it was possible for us to land him then “________ would never win in the SEC.”

So we hired the only coach in the whole world that would accept the job. We have our little experiment and need to wait for results while returns are already happening for some proven HCs.

 

[VolsFan-TX]

That’s why these threads get started. Some believe we have a higher probability of success if we hire a proven HC. Less guessing and hoping like when we hire an assistant who has to learn on the job.

Others assure us that “________ was never coming here.” Like they talked to the guy.

And if it was possible for us to land him then “________ would never win in the SEC.”

So we hired the only coach in the whole world that would accept the job. We have our little experiment and need to wait for results while returns are already happening for some proven HCs.

And we need to significantly upgrade our talent on the field.

 

[orangefloyd]

Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.

This is the truth.

 

[Behr]

Or LSU played bad and UF played good

Hey bro, I just noticed you left out the K. That on purpose? Lol, either way I won't be surprised, its definitely you.

 

[peaygolf]

Besides Urban and Nick...All Time Great coaches seldom get hired away from schools.

Osborne. ast @ Neb
switzer . ast @ Ok
Bowden 42-26 @ WVU
Stoops ast @UF
Jimmy Johnson. 29-25-3 @ Ok St
Richt. Ast @ FSU
Smart. ast @ Bama
Neyland. ast @ UT
Lavell Edwards. ast @ BYU
Pete Carrol. has been in NFL
Frank Beamer. HC @ Mu**ay St
Darrell Royal. 17-13 @ Mis St and Wash.
Woody won a Salad Bowl @ Miami (oh)

CJP. Fits that mold very well! Give him a chance!

 

[lifeVol]

You can not loathe people more than I loathe Hamilton and the Haslam's. The colossal f*ups that have gone at TN... can't convince me that was an accident. They are that bad.

I disagree, they are that bad, Haslam is 2 for 2 in f'kng up programs and it was pretty hard to make the Browns worse than they were.

 

[rocytop2624]

Hey bro, I just noticed you left out the K. That on purpose? Lol, either way I won't be surprised, its definitely you.

I was going to use just the name no numbers but it was taken wtf who does that?

 

[volsportsfan]

IMO, some people need to understand what makes a coach proven. Being a successful coordinator does not equal proven head coach. Winning games, winning small conference championships does not equal being a proven head coach. The best way to become proven is to win a Super bowl or national title, and even doing this once is never an a absolute guarantee ( though, most of the time, coaches who win the big one, stay consistently successful ) that one has become proven.

In another thread of mine, I allowed for big conference championships to qualify as being proven, but allowing that standard is not near as fool proof as winning the big one. Usually, you win a big time conference title, you go on to consistent success, but this standard is far far from absolute. There are many examples of coaches who won big time conference titles but within 2 to 5 years they are never heard from again.

Off the top of my head, the only proven head coach that was available last year was Jimbo Fisher. I wish we had backed thr brinks truck up to his home and beat out am for him. But, here I am spending someone else's money, which i have no ability to do. It's nice to talk about, but not within my power. I have no idea if we had the funds available to outbid am.

Scott Frost and Mullen are, by the evidence, further along than Pruitt. I wouldn't label either as proven, though what Mullen did at ms st was very impressive. On scale of most likely to get it done, Jimbo ( Jimbo's main obstacle is the fact that the goat resides in his division. Gonna be tough Jimbo, getting past them ) was #1, a proven coach. Mullen was #2 imo. I have very little doubt Jimbo will have sustained success at am. I have more doubt that Mullen will have sustained success at FL compared to Jimbo. Yet, no doubt in my mind Mullen has sufficient evidence backing him that he was the best candidate, other than Jimbo, if a program was looking for the best CHANCE at getting back to the top.

 

[Biopsyman]

You will never win in this league unless you have a dominate OL and DL.. Look of 19 commits. The current players we have at those position are decent but no pro players at the JR and SR classes... There is the hidden truth

 

[99gator]

I’ll just say a few things.

1. Don’t punish Pruitt for the sins of his predecessors. He deserves time the way they deserved time.

2. Championship coaches are few. Most people talk about championships and they are rare. The goal at Tennessee is to win championships and everything else is a moral victory. Look around he country and see how many guys have a conference title in the league they are coaching in. Then, look to see how many have more than one. As an example, the only ACC coach with an ACC title is Dabo.

3. So, for the guys around who are new at their school or fairly new, are they in line to win a championship. Herman at Texas seems to be it and there are two months left to play.

 

[volsportsfan]

Since, hiring a proven head coach, is being thrown around so much on volnation in recent years ( and rightfully so. We are getting tired of suckage. We are on of the most passionate fan bases in all of sports. We would like to eventually get a return on our investment ), I propose that we come up with a standard for what a proven coach is. And, in my best estimation, it's what I previously stated. Let's get our passionate fan base educated. Let's come to an agreement on a standard for what qualifies as "proven".

 

[volfannbama]

The roster at Florida is better than ours and they are coached to not quit
Experienced coach? Scott Frost has Nebraska at 0 - 6. Pruitt has us at 2- 3
Inexperienced coach has better record than experienced coach

Weird how you used frost to illustrate your point and not mullen, but I guess that doesnt fit the point you are trying to convey.

 

[savannahfan]

Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.

Its hard for anyone on this site to remember... Last year Fla. had several of their cons "benched" for the year. Those that could come back are and are making a difference in their team. Likewise the guys that filled in for those cons, are somewhat ahead of the curve. AND they play with an attitude we would love to have.....

 

[volfannbama]

I’ll just say a few things.

1. Don’t punish Pruitt for the sins of his predecessors. He deserves time the way they deserved time.

2. Championship coaches are few. Most people talk about championships and they are rare. The goal at Tennessee is to win championships and everything else is a moral victory. Look around he country and see how many guys have a conference title in the league they are coaching in. Then, look to see how many have more than one. As an example, the only ACC coach with an ACC title is Dabo.

3. So, for the guys around who are new at their school or fairly new, are they in line to win a championship. Herman at Texas seems to be it and there are two months left to play.

Sympathy from a lizard....and so it begins

 

[Sudden Impact]

Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.

CJP is a proven coach...Just not a proven HC...His assistants are proven coaches in there fields....yes we got a bargain on CJP + Staff.....the problem is that we started a downward spiral with Kiffin never recovered with Dools or Butch...all smoking guns....All due to the Administration...maybe we have a coach that can change that or maybe we don't ...whoever we hired it was going to take time because the talent was not there...especially on the line of scrimmage.....

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

You are aware that you're whining about whining, right? IMO that's okay as long as you know it.

I do that sometimes too and I think it would be fine if the whiners admitted they were whining. But they don't, they turn it around and say "youre a coach worshiper and settling for mediocrity, I demand more, I hold UTAD and our coaches accountable, I will not accept mediocrity".

Just be aware.

We've been "accepting mediocrity" for about 17 years now lol.

 

[Rockytopvol86]

Mullen would never have come to UT his dream job was waiting at UF. He was just waiting on the call. He’s a veteran coach unlike ours . However , I believe CJP will exceed Mullen in long run due to the structure and culture he is setting up. He’s already not happen with offense staff so there will be changes until he gets what he wants in place.

 

[dlturner00]

We have no idea yet whether we have a good coach or not. Let's quit freaking out halfway through the first season and see what happens.

 

[volberry]

Unlike our usual goofy hire, I think Mullen is proving himself to be a solid hire. It just remains to be seen if he will ever become a championship wining coach.

Mullen has been thought of for years as the second best coach in the sec. He was beating every team in the sec except bammer at MSS St. Now he has uf talent and resources. I'm not surprised at all. But it does say that we need to get a decent coach. It starts with admin. Nobody good wants to work with them.

 

[chargervol]

Weird how you used frost to illustrate your point and not mullen, but I guess that doesnt fit the point you are trying to convey.

He named UF first. He gave an example each way. 'This one has, this one hasn't yet', to show it's not a given.
Why do you always go out of your way just to be contrary about everything?
Rhetorical question btw.