Kavanaugh Confirmation

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SLICKYINC said:
Devils Triangle: 3 glasses and teams. Quarter needs to land in each glass. Teams start on opposite glasses. Each miss a sip. Winning team is first to have all members negotiate the triangle successfully. Losing team chugs..
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So, where does the gang rape and enemas come in? I'm confused.
 
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luthervol said:
For the sake of argument, let's go with the Objective will and word of God. Does the end ever justify the means?
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Orange_Crush said:
For precision, i will say that evil, immoral, means are never justified by their outcomes. This should be understood by definition, if the means have to be justified by anything but themselves, but i will be explicit.
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That has always been the discussion, Luther. You're just in desperate need of an "out" because your fragile ego has been battered for the past 16 hours or so.
 
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Obsessed said:
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After a careful review of all of the evidence put fourth by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford in her accusations of sexual assault against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh, sex crimes prosecutor Rachel Mitchell has released a report which completely exonerates the judge.​
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Sex crimes prosecutor Rachel Mitchell, a non-partisan third-party with more than 25 years’ experience prosecuting sex crimes in the state of Arizona, carefully reviewed the allegations made by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, including hours of testimony, and has released a report on the matter. In the report, Mitchell points out more than a dozen glaring inconsistencies in Dr. Ford’s account and paints the accusations as potentially fraudulent.​
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Mitchell’s points out several points, including:​



In perhaps her most damning finding, Rachel Mitchell writes that “The activities of congressional Democrats and Dr. Ford’s attorney’s likely affected her account”. Mitchell ostensibly alleges that the maneuvering of congressional Democrats, and the actions of her attorneys, who acted more like handlers, influenced her account of events, and perhaps even her truthfulness. This may have come out as Mitchell’s lines of questioning were repeatedly interrupted by her attorneys, namely Michael Bromwich, who also represents Andrew McCabe.​

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My wife, a victim of rape, and who works for a prosecutors office, said no DA would advance this case. She isn’t credible.
 
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luthervol said:
My post is from early last night.
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My response and clarification of the debate was early last night as well. You agreed to it when you continued to press, lie, twist and squirm.

Now, the clarification shouldn't have been necessary, by the way. It shouldn't be necessary to explicitly define what is meant by the otherwise "shorthand" label of "ends justifies the means", because it's standard understanding that the label implicitly indicates that we're talking about otherwise immoral actions that need an outside agent (the ends/results) to make them acceptable/justified. But I know your penchant for intellectual dishonesty once the delayed realization hits you that you've made a fool of yourself.

So, I invested in our future. I made it explicit. You debated from that explicit.

Sucks to be you.
 
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luthervol said:
I stopped reading there. That was never the debate.
From the beginning my question was "does the end ever justify the means?"
I never once said anything about inherently immoral acts...that's your projected twist onto the question.
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PS: Now that that's all settled, I would recommend you go back and read the post. I suspect that you stand to learn quite I bit.
 
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utvols88 said:
Well I happen to know someone that ought to be aware and that individual had not gotten noticed that FBI employees would be getting paid. This was as of yesterday. idk
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Yeah, they would only get a notice if they would not be getting paid or if they were in a shutdown phase. They don't ever send you a notice that things are normal
 
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Orange_Crush said:
My response and clarification of the debate was early last night as well. You agreed to it when you continued to press, lie, twist and squirm.

Now, the clarification shouldn't have been necessary, by the way. It shouldn't be necessary to explicitly define what is meant by the otherwise "shorthand" label of "ends justifies the means", because it's standard understanding that the label implicitly indicates that we're talking about otherwise immoral actions that need an outside agent (the ends/results) to make them acceptable/justified. But I know your penchant for intellectual dishonesty once the delayed realization hits you that you've made a fool of yourself.

So, I invested in our future. I made it explicit. You debated from that explicit.

Sucks to be you.
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I'll simplify a third time for you, and others along for the ride.

Is smashing someone's head in with a brick justified (moral) or unjustified (immoral)?
It obviously depends on the ends.
 
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luthervol said:
I'll simplify a third time for you, and others along for the ride.

Is smashing someone's head in with a brick justified (moral) or unjustified (immoral)?
It obviously depends on the ends.
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Funny. I mean, really funny. And REALLY embarrassing for you to anyone that DID read my post.

Further, anyone that understood the distinction I made between the Christian "motives condemn the action" ethic vs your "ends justify the means" ethic is belly-laughing at you. You still don't understand the difference.
 
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luthervol said:
I'll simplify a third time for you, and others along for the ride.

Is smashing someone's head in with a brick justified (moral) or unjustified (immoral)?
It obviously depends on the ends.
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No!!! It goes to intent of the act!!!

He’s told you multiple times!!!

“End justifies the means” is a back end rationalization for bad behavior and intent up front!!!

It’s freaking obvious!!!
 
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