Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Since it's slow in here, I have to vent.

I buy a lot of stuff from Home Depot. Went there today to pick up some insulation, a whole pickup load of the stuff. Parked went in side and made the purchase then exited. Most of y'all that are here in east Tennessee knows it's rained all day, pretty much a steady rain. Well, a bunch of yahoos decided that the loading area is their own personal parking spot. Cars/trucks just sitting there blocking the loading area. I guess they thought they were special and didn't want to get their hairdo a little damp. So I had to wheel the stuff over to the truck in the rain and load up. Piece of craps that think they're better than anybody else.

Thanks! I needed that.
 
I've noticed that since the consensus has become that this team has a severe lack of talent, no one is throwing up those high school talent ranking comparisons (Rivals, 247, etc.).
They mean nothing. Especially since it's being revealed more and more about how the sausage is made at Rivals. I wouldnt be surprised to find kids/parents/coaches of prominent HS throwing cash at these groups to get a bump. If you think about it, the fact that they host all of these camps that likely cost money to attend, it's already common practice.
 
The defense has been what I have expected maybe even a little better, I see improvement but with some freshman mistakes, lack of depth, and upperclassman who aren't very good or haven't been developed. But I see definitely possibilities with the defense. Special teams have been a disappointment, 1st onside kick last week, drops, fumbles, etc.. Offense has been a huge disappointment even knowing we would have o-line issue, the offense has been bad. JG looks good, but we aren't putting him in good spots with terrible play calling on 1st, 2nd down or rolling him out to avoid the rush. And having him run some with that o-line isn't very smart. OL, TE, RB's missing assignments and WR's not catching catchable balls. I'm hoping for some improvement as the season goes on, and really hoping we can go injury free. Just managing my expectations.
 
Since it's slow in here, I have to vent.

I buy a lot of stuff from Home Depot. Went there today to pick up some insulation, a whole pickup load of the stuff. Parked went in side and made the purchase then exited. Most of y'all that are here in east Tennessee knows it's rained all day, pretty much a steady rain. Well, a bunch of yahoos decided that the loading area is their own personal parking spot. Cars/trucks just sitting there blocking the loading area. I guess they thought they were special and didn't want to get their hairdo a little damp. So I had to wheel the stuff over to the truck in the rain and load up. Piece of craps that think they're better than anybody else.

Thanks! I needed that.
Sounds like a culture problem.
 
The defense has been what I have expected maybe even a little better, I see improvement but with some freshman mistakes, lack of depth, and upperclassman who aren't very good or haven't been developed. But I see definitely possibilities with the defense. Special teams have been a disappointment, 1st onside kick last week, drops, fumbles, etc.. Offense has been a huge disappointment even knowing we would have o-line issue, the offense has been bad. JG looks good, but we aren't putting him in good spots with terrible play calling on 1st, 2nd down or rolling him out to avoid the rush. And having him run some with that o-line isn't very smart. OL, TE, RB's missing assignments and WR's not catching catchable balls. I'm hoping for some improvement as the season goes on, and really hoping we can go injury free. Just managing my expectations.
I'm holding out hope on offense due to the change in blocking scheme. Our line looks lost and is absolutely nowhere close to being a unit. Even TE's and RB's are whiffing on blocks. I have confidence in this getting better, but it won't take much to get better. JG is an accurate passer, and we have capable RB's.
 
The media observed two open periods, with lots of scout team work and a little individual technique stuff.

Some quick notes…

*** After spending Tuesday on the bike, senior linebacker Darrin Kirkland Jr. was a full participant Wednesday. However, the cornerback group was short one body, as Kenneth George was working over on the side with the S&C staff.

*** With John Mincey sidelined and Kingston Harris now on the o-line, Kurott Garland was moved up from the scout team and working with the main d-linemen today. Similarly, Kivon Bennett wasn’t a scout teamer Wednesday and worked with the 1s and 2s at outside linebacker.

*** Quarterback Jarrett Guarantano once again took every first-team rep. Once again, there were no apparent planting issues. Despite missing the end of the UF game, the second-year starter looks on track to play Saturday.

*** The tailbacks spent the whole first period working seeing and pressing the hole. Chris Weinke was as vocal with his group as he’s been all year.

*** A couple scout team notes: HB Princeton Fant is D’Andre Swift, Jacob Warren is TE Issac Nauta, Greg Emerson is NT Julian Rotchester and Terrell Bailey is CB Deandre Baker.
--Simonton
 
Random thoughts:

When Jeremy Pruitt was hired, members of the sports media (Athlon, CBS Sports, ESPN, USA Today, and Sports Illustrated) graded the hire as B, C+, B-, C, and 3.2/5.0, respectively. I think that works out to around a C+ average. Obviously this is just their perceptions and at the time their perceptions were likely impacted by the coaching search itself.

I remember most of us here were really optimistic for his rebuild of the imploding 2018 recruiting class. In some cases we got carried away with our expectations. In hindsight many would now probably agree that he did better than what should have been reasonably expected under the circumstances including having 2 jobs and the introduction of the early signing period.

There were generally pretty positive reviews across the board for the coaching staff he assembled. Most came from having early experience as high school coaches and had worked their way up to big time college football. Some were SEC veterans. The staff was perceived as good teachers. At least five members of the new staff had carried or would have the title of coordinator, either offensive or defensive, however, only Pruitt, himself, was actually a well-seasoned and highly regarded play caller.

In my view we at Tennessee tend to put our coaches on a pedestal, at least for a honeymoon period. It’s not unwarranted as fans. It’s just the way it is. We’re really not all that unique as a fanbase, at least in that regard. We do the same for our recruits. I’m not sure who has the shorter honeymoon, recruits or coaches, but it does seem like a lot of people would like to get rid of most if not all of the existing roster at the same time we get rid of a coaching staff.

The average age of college football fans is 52. The cost of attendance continues to increase and is only marginally affordable for anyone outside of the affluent class. The average age has continued to increase over the past couple of decades. Most members of the younger generations are growing up and coming of age in a time where the prospects for our football program have perhaps never been bleaker.

Erik Ainge has said a number of times that it’s hard on a staff and team to lose anywhere in the SEC but it’s hardest to lose in Knoxville.

Our fans have A+ level expectations for everything about our football program. The truth may be that the only things about our football program that ranks that high is our strength of schedule and the amount of revenue the football program continues to produce year after year, almost without regard to the product on the field.

I’m older than the average and I’ve been a die-hard fan longer than the average has even been alive. I know all the evidence strongly suggests that we’re at best a C+ football program but I still believe. When I was a young teenager I would sit at the kitchen table every week looking at the rankings in the newspaper, trying to figure out who above us could lose so we could move up. There is only one spot in the rankings I ever would have been satisfied with and it was the very top. Nothing about that has changed.

This weekend we’re going to Athens. Almost everyone I know is convinced we’ll be blown off the field just like we were supposed to have been in the 1985 Sugar Bowl. Old Dominion proved this past week that teams with a 98.4% chance of losing can still sometimes surprise you. I think I can honestly say that there has never been a single game in my life as a Tennessee football fan where I didn’t expect us to win either because we were obviously the better team or just because I believe in surprises. I don’t mean I have been hoping we would win; I mean I just don’t have it in me to expect us to lose. It’s never been there. It just doesn’t fit.

We’ll need an A+ performance this week and that’s what I’m looking for when we go down to Georgia Saturday and beat those Dawgs!

A man after my own heart!
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I'm holding out hope on offense due to the change in blocking scheme. Our line looks lost and is absolutely nowhere close to being a unit. Even TE's and RB's are whiffing on blocks. I have confidence in this getting better, but it won't take much to get better. JG is an accurate passer, and we have capable RB's.

RB's are a bright spot (when not blocking) and it's definitely something we could build off. O-line issues are huge and with 4+ OL recruits already committed the coaches knew this was an issue. Lack of a S&C program for 2 1/2 years was just plain stupid. The play calling is very strange, since I though we would see more of the Western Kentucky/USC style offense. I would assume the o-line woes is the reason, but it's hard to tell. I really hope we can get through this 4-5 game stretch with no injuries and a better team going into November.
 
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RB's are a bright spot (when not blocking) and it's definitely something we could build off. O-line issues are huge and with 4+ OL recruits already committed the coaches knew this was an issue. Lack of a S&C program for 2 1/2 years was just plain stupid. The play calling is very strange, since I though we would see more of the Western Kentucky/USC style offense. I would assume the o-line woes is the reason, but it's hard to tell. I really hope we can get through this 4-5 game stretch with no injuries and a better team going into November.
Not to pull an OCI-style bump, but I remember predicting in the summer that the improved S&C program wouldn’t really pay dividends until November and not significantly so until next year. I had no idea how bad the combination of a lackluster strength program blocking scheme adjustments would be. I figured it would be a challenge, but it has been unwatchable.
 
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Random thoughts:

When Jeremy Pruitt was hired, members of the sports media (Athlon, CBS Sports, ESPN, USA Today, and Sports Illustrated) graded the hire as B, C+, B-, C, and 3.2/5.0, respectively. I think that works out to around a C+ average. Obviously this is just their perceptions and at the time their perceptions were likely impacted by the coaching search itself.

I remember most of us here were really optimistic for his rebuild of the imploding 2018 recruiting class. In some cases we got carried away with our expectations. In hindsight many would now probably agree that he did better than what should have been reasonably expected under the circumstances including having 2 jobs and the introduction of the early signing period.

There were generally pretty positive reviews across the board for the coaching staff he assembled. Most came from having early experience as high school coaches and had worked their way up to big time college football. Some were SEC veterans. The staff was perceived as good teachers. At least five members of the new staff had carried or would have the title of coordinator, either offensive or defensive, however, only Pruitt, himself, was actually a well-seasoned and highly regarded play caller.

In my view we at Tennessee tend to put our coaches on a pedestal, at least for a honeymoon period. It’s not unwarranted as fans. It’s just the way it is. We’re really not all that unique as a fanbase, at least in that regard. We do the same for our recruits. I’m not sure who has the shorter honeymoon, recruits or coaches, but it does seem like a lot of people would like to get rid of most if not all of the existing roster at the same time we get rid of a coaching staff.

The average age of college football fans is 52. The cost of attendance continues to increase and is only marginally affordable for anyone outside of the affluent class. The average age has continued to increase over the past couple of decades. Most members of the younger generations are growing up and coming of age in a time where the prospects for our football program have perhaps never been bleaker.

Erik Ainge has said a number of times that it’s hard on a staff and team to lose anywhere in the SEC but it’s hardest to lose in Knoxville.

Our fans have A+ level expectations for everything about our football program. The truth may be that the only things about our football program that ranks that high is our strength of schedule and the amount of revenue the football program continues to produce year after year, almost without regard to the product on the field.

I’m older than the average and I’ve been a die-hard fan longer than the average has even been alive. I know all the evidence strongly suggests that we’re at best a C+ football program but I still believe. When I was a young teenager I would sit at the kitchen table every week looking at the rankings in the newspaper, trying to figure out who above us could lose so we could move up. There is only one spot in the rankings I ever would have been satisfied with and it was the very top. Nothing about that has changed.

This weekend we’re going to Athens. Almost everyone I know is convinced we’ll be blown off the field just like we were supposed to have been in the 1985 Sugar Bowl. Old Dominion proved this past week that teams with a 98.4% chance of losing can still sometimes surprise you. I think I can honestly say that there has never been a single game in my life as a Tennessee football fan where I didn’t expect us to win either because we were obviously the better team or just because I believe in surprises. I don’t mean I have been hoping we would win; I mean I just don’t have it in meto expect us to lose. It’s never been there. It just doesn’t fit.

We’ll need an A+ performance this week and that’s what I’m looking for when we go down to Georgia Saturday and beat those Dawgs!

Impressive. And I thought I was a positive one. I rarely think we have little chance to win. I think we have little chance to beat UGA or Bama.
 
I’ve been thinking back to ‘13. I recall getting slap embarrassed in Oregon. That was a far better team than Florida, and we expected a rout. It was so bad though that I remember wondering if Butch could ever right the ship.

Well, the team rebounded and beat a very good SC team. I cried in the stands as I watched our players have something to celebrate because THEY deserved it. We all had hope after that.

All I’m looking for right now is something to give the team and the fans that same hope. We don’t know the future, but hope can go a long way. Play tough, rebound from mistakes, win a game you shouldn’t, be competitive, sign a good class, etc.

Anything for hope for these players who deserve it as much or more that that ‘13 team did.
 
I’ve been thinking back to ‘13. I recall getting slap embarrassed in Oregon. That was a far better team than Florida, and we expected a rout. It was so bad though that I remember wondering if Butch could ever right the ship.

Well, the team rebounded and beat a very good SC team. I cried in the stands as I watched our players have something to celebrate because THEY deserved it. We all had hope after that.

All I’m looking for right now is something to give the team and the fans that same hope. We don’t know the future, but hope can go a long way. Play tough, rebound from mistakes, win a game you shouldn’t, be competitive, sign a good class, etc.

Anything for hope for these players who deserve it as much or more that that ‘13 team did.
I remember Pig losing that ball in the endzone. I was sitting there and it broke my heart. I was thinking that Butch had these kids playing their hearts out. I really thought that he was going to be the one to get us out of the mess, and we certainly had the talent in 2016. So what happened?

One thing is that Butch brought his long time coaching friends in and slowly lost them (Fired/moved on) and he didn't mesh with their replacements. Lots of injuries, too but that 2016 team should have been in the playoffs without a doubt.
 
Since it's slow in here, I have to vent.

I buy a lot of stuff from Home Depot. Went there today to pick up some insulation, a whole pickup load of the stuff. Parked went in side and made the purchase then exited. Most of y'all that are here in east Tennessee knows it's rained all day, pretty much a steady rain. Well, a bunch of yahoos decided that the loading area is their own personal parking spot. Cars/trucks just sitting there blocking the loading area. I guess they thought they were special and didn't want to get their hairdo a little damp. So I had to wheel the stuff over to the truck in the rain and load up. Piece of craps that think they're better than anybody else.

Thanks! I needed that.

Some of the worst people in the world are those that are nice and dry in their car while driving through a parking lot, and won’t give someone walking in that parking lot right of way to cross, etc.
 
Some of the worst people in the world are those that are nice and dry in their car while driving through a parking lot, and won’t give someone walking in that parking lot right of way to cross, etc.

Vacationing in Hilton Head now. Went to Starbucks to check in on office stuff and get a few minutes of quiet from the grandkids. Go back to my truck, parked in the back of the lot away from most traffic, and notice a paint covered crease in my door matching the paint of the Mercedes SUV parked next to me. The women sitting inside had to slam the door wide open, because the vehicles weren't that close. And as you would expect, she went out of her way to avoid looking up at me while I was standing there. While I assume she had to be aware and simply didn't care, the intersection of stupid and rude is tricky.
 
Vacationing in Hilton Head now. Went to Starbucks to check in on office stuff and get a few minutes of quiet from the grandkids. Go back to my truck, parked in the back of the lot away from most traffic, and notice a paint covered crease in my door matching the paint of the Mercedes SUV parked next to me. The women sitting inside had to slam the door wide open, because the vehicles weren't that close. And as you would expect, she went out of her way to avoid looking up at me while I was standing there. While I assume she had to be aware and simply didn't care, the intersection of stupid and rude is tricky.

Should have come up behind her and
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