Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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My larger point is this team should “play like” a Jeremy Pruitt led team after year one. 20 months in his S&C program, with the attrition of guys that don’t buy in, and we should play the way he wants to play. It might not result in wins because the talent won’t be there, but I don’t buy that it takes 3 years.
i pretty much agree. i said earlier 1-2 years on the culture thing, but really, there'll be some departures from the roster after this season, everyone that comes back should know the deal and everyone coming in is a pruitt guy. by the end of 2019, the culture issue probably should be put to rest, generally speaking, agreed.
 
I think we would have averaged around 8 wins. I dont think Butch was a championship winning coach. He was searching for every excuse of positivity for his program.
i forget what year it was, but the year they had the slogan "own it", i was infuriated.

that guy never owned any of his shortcomings or mistakes. another reason i think he lost teams after 15. players and fans stopped buying the BS.
 
quick story about culture to illustrate what i'm talking about. many moons ago, i was a front line supervisor for a company, and we handled all types of different products. one particular type of product was 20' (or longer) bundles of pipe and steel.

we had guys that would use forklifts to try and move them, they'd try to balance htem on the end of the blades, and, long story short, they'd spend 15 minutes trying to get it balanced so they could move it, then another 10 minutes moving it, and then another 10 minutes trying to place it. and that's if everything went well. if it fell and busted, they'd spend another 15 minutes re stacking, and then repeat the balancing act.

so we as managers decided these things needed to moved on hand trucks. you could lay the pipe over the top of a hand truck that was laid on it's back and basically create a see-saw, and then you just push down on one end, and you could wheel that thing anywhere you wanted. in about 10% of the time, and a lot less chance of the damage.

but many of these guys had worked there for years, and were resistent to actually getting off the lift, and doing something manual....so in the beginning there was a lot of follow up, making people do it, stopping them from doing it the old way, etc, etc, etc...fast forward about 6 months after all that, ....if there was a guy tring to put that type of product on a forklift, you'd have 10 other guys (their peers) yelling at him "HAND TRUCK!!!!", and he would be shamed in to getting off the lift and moving it the "right" way. supervisors and managers never had to say a word.

just one example. but that's changing a culture. we changed "the how", not "the what". and the guys that bought in (or were forced to in some cases thru some disciplinary action) wound up holding each other accountable to doing it that way.
 
Rebuilding a program like UT is nothing like rebuilding UK or Vandy. Stoops started from ground zero. He was a football coach at a basketball school. He had to grow a fanbase and manufacture support, fundraise to upgrade facilities, cobble together a staff and try to create a hunger for winning at a program that hadn't won much of anything in 40 years. And Stoops had to learn OTJ while doing all of it. The only similarity is that Pruitt is having to learn OTJ, too, but all those other responsibilities have been taken off his plate so he can focus on recruiting and winning. Everything else is already in place.
 
Georgia players were also coming off of back to back 10 win seasons. Buying into a winning culture would be much easier for them.

And I guarantee you that Richt’s culture was much more similar to Smart’s than Butch’s was to Pruitt’s.

This seems to make sense, putting everything into perspective of THIS program.

This year, Pruitt has a herculean task, of simply going from 0-8 to 2-6, or even 1-6 -- it should be considered heroic improvement, imo, to even keep GA under 41 and score 1 offensive touchdown.
 
Rebuilding a program like UT is nothing like rebuilding UK or Vandy. Stoops started from ground zero. He was a football coach at a basketball school. He had to grow a fanbase and manufacture support, fundraise to upgrade facilities, cobble together a staff and try to create a hunger for winning at a program that hadn't won much of anything in 40 years. And Stoops had to learn OTJ while doing all of it. The only similarity is that Pruitt is having to learn OTJ, too, but all those other responsibilities have been taken off his plate so he can focus on recruiting and winning. Everything else is already in place.

Pruitt also has a shorter leash and greater expectations on his shoulders. Stoops is basically a made man in Lexington now that he beat Florida once and has the Cats ranked. He can live off this season for the next 3-4 years.
 
Pruitt also has a shorter leash and greater expectations on his shoulders. Stoops is basically a made man in Lexington now that he beat Florida once and has the Cats ranked. He can live off this season for the next 3-4 years.

With greater resources come greater expectations. Beating Florida would have bought Pruitt a boatload of goodwill in Knoxville, too. It would have taken the edge off October.
 
With greater resources come greater expectations. Beating Florida would have bought Pruitt a boatload of goodwill in Knoxville, too. It would have taken the edge off October.

I disagree. It would have bought him some goodwill for the time being. Beating FL does not change the fact that this team will still struggle to win 1 game out of the final 4 SEC games of the season. October was a foregone conclusion before the season even started. JMO.
 
we have nothing to talk about in here lol. spinning in circles

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I’d honestly rather go to the dentist or have a colonoscopy than go to Athens and watch this team play with no heart. It’s got nothing to with talent. They got no want, so why should I give s***

Never understand why people log onto a forum dedicated to the one thing they claim not to give a **** about.
 
I think people care a lot about the program but nobody likes watching something they care about get beat down week after week

I don't either, obviously. Quoted that post but it's a sentiment I've seen quite a bit posted various ways lately. Like the guys who click on appropriately titled '20 recruit threads just to say "IDGAF about a '20 kid!"
 
I disagree. It would have bought him some goodwill for the time being. Beating FL does not change the fact that this team will still struggle to win 1 game out of the final 4 SEC games of the season. October was a foregone conclusion before the season even started. JMO.

Goodwill has a short shelf life, but even 7-win predictions had October losses baked-in. Unlike UF, three of the October opponents are simply better than UT and SCAR sets up poorly for the Vols. The rumblings of discontent will be an avalanche if this team drops 5 consecutive SEC games. Homecoming will be like a funeral nobody wants to attend.
 
This right here. I saw so many “run the damn ball” memes last season that it was nauseating. Now, we’re running the ball and people are mad because we don’t run the ball well. WHAT DO YOU WANT, PEOPLE?!

I want a coach who schemes well and puts his players in position to attempt to succeed. This is such an over generalization. Yes, with John Kelly at RB, we should have run the ball once or twice from the one yard line last year. Yes, we shouldn’t have run 26 times on first down this year and constantly put ourselves in third and middle distances. One does not effect the other. I would love to be able to run all game, but this team will need to scheme other ways to win games.
 
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I just want to see improvement week to week and a top 10 recruiting class. Not asking for much
Yep, I’m hoping they limit mistakes and have some productivity on offense. I’d like to see the defense play tough and not give up big plays.
 
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