Kavanaugh Confirmation

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Stew Cook said:
She is a Republican.. It's possible she could get a nomination if she does a "good job".
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Since you are among the most neutral observers here - do you think there's a better chance at getting at the truth with this person asking questions or R members of the Judicial Committee.

The politics are Dems want the optics of R men being mean to an assault accuser and the R's want to avoid those optics.

Is the prosecutor a more fair approach if the goal is getting each story out?

Personally I can argue either side.
 
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newyorkvol said:
I don’t really want to have to “believe” an accuser or the accused. I would hope that the #MeToo movement makes it easier for women to use our current criminal justice system to seek the justice they deserve.

As it stands now, we are seeing the #BelieveSurvivors movement take hold which completely circumvents the justice system and leaves us with “I believe her because she’s telling the truth.”
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People are going to have beliefs either way. Believing that an accuser is probably not just making it up when upwards of 90% of these accusations are true is better than the “she’s probably a lying whore/why’d she wait so long” stuff that’s all over this board, even with Bill Cosby and his double-digit accusers. You don’t “have” to believe either, but most people start off with “lying whore” roughly 100% of the time.
 
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volinbham said:
Since you are among the most neutral observers here - do you think there's a better chance at getting at the truth with this person asking questions or R members of the Judicial Committee.

The politics are Dems want the optics of R men being mean to an assault accuser and the R's want to avoid those optics.

Is the prosecutor a more fair approach if the goal is getting each story out?

Personally I can argue either side.
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Honestly, it sounds good on paper, but it comes down to how the questions are drafted. Does the committee dictate questions, or is she truly independent and unbiased?
 
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NashVol11 said:
People are going to have beliefs either way. Believing that an accuser is probably not just making it up when upwards of 90% of these accusations are true is better than the “she’s probably a lying whore/why’d she wait so long” stuff that’s all over this board, even with Bill Cosby and his double-digit accusers. You don’t “have” to believe either, but most people start off with “lying whore” roughly 100% of the time.
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90% - got a solid link to back up that claim?

Hounddog posted an article from Slate in 2016 that had many research citations and it was not upwards of 90%.

There's also a middle ground; particularly with such an old allegation. Something happened to this woman but it isn't exactly how she is remembering it now.

I believe she believes. For findings or even presumptions of guilt that is not sufficient in this country.
 
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Mick said:
She don't have an out. Its bs or its not and Thursday will come.
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Thursday will come, gillibrands statement hit me like a ton of bricks. Still no charges filed in Maryland against Kavanaugh, fbi passing because she is rice paper thin in the allegation. Sure she can show up, for what, no one is backing up her testimony in fact many denials about it, no evidence, making implausible requests, Kavanaugh has to testify, remirez won't testify. Mick, in all honesty i don't think she'll show. Her teaching, career, credibility is totally at stake here. She's already put all that on the line. Pros and cons, the cons have it.
 
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This is spot on. Where is flannel shirt guy when you need him?

And that look on his wife's face tells me Brett may be going back to his days of high school celibacy for awhile.

 
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Stew Cook said:
Im assuming it would be disallowed, maybe I'm wrong on that.
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I haven't seen anything suggesting that. The main reason I'd say they aren't is that each wants some face time hammering K and "standing up for women".

Each member is limited to 5 minutes. That's precious righteous outrage time. The R's would use it too but their afraid they'll look like bullies so they are passing the buck to an outside partner.

More politics over substance once again.
 
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volinbham said:
90% - got a solid link to back up that claim?

Hounddog posted an article from Slate in 2016 that had many research citations and it was not upwards of 90%.

There's also a middle ground; particularly with such an old allegation. Something happened to this woman but it isn't exactly how she is remembering it now.

I believe she believes. For findings or even presumptions of guilt that is not sufficient in this country.
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I said that I also believe she believes. I believe she is confused.
 
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volinbham said:
90% - got a solid link to back up that claim?

Hounddog posted an article from Slate in 2016 that had many research citations and it was not upwards of 90%.

There's also a middle ground; particularly with such an old allegation. Something happened to this woman but it isn't exactly how she is remembering it now.

I believe she believes. For findings or even presumptions of guilt that is not sufficient in this country.
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False reporting 2-10% and often inflated:
https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

To the last point, that’s why we still have a court system. Celebrities saying they believe her isn’t getting him thrown in jail; he hasn’t lost anything except for respect in the eyes of some.
 
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volinbham said:
I was specifically responding to Nash saying "believe women" doesn't mean "x" and whatever else he said because Dem leaders are saying something different than what Nash believes those things mean. It was entirely specific to the statement Nash made that is being contradicted by Dems in the media.

If you want to ask me about something specific they've said I can respond - otherwise my answer would be I believe somethings and not others but that doesn't tell you anything.
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I thought you were asking a generalized sarcastic question and it read as such. It wasn't a probing question for the specifics which you thought you were asking for .
 
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volinbham said:
I haven't seen anything suggesting that. The main reason I'd say they aren't is that each wants some face time hammering K and "standing up for women".

Each member is limited to 5 minutes. That's precious righteous outrage time. The R's would use it too but their afraid they'll look like bullies so they are passing the buck to an outside partner.

More politics over substance once again.
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If she is to be a tool for the Republicans , and they plan to defer to the prosecutor for both Ford and Kavanaugh, while the Democrats get their chance to do their worst...

Man I dunno..
 
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