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MrVolton said:
I’ve seen the screen called often by teams in that position, from the Patriots to the Pitt Panthers. And I’ve seen it go for successful yardage in that very situation. Just like there’s a good chance of a run play on 3rd and inches. Doesn’t change the fact that that particular turnover had less to do with play calling and more to do with good play by the defender.
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Did you know it was gonna be a screen?
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Dan Mullen was the superior coach yesterday. You can pretend like Pruitt is better, based off nothing, but right now, he is not.
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I agree. Mullen had his players focused and ready to play, on the road, in a hostile environment in the sec. They were much more prepared mentally. CJP has a lot to learn. I've still got faith in the guy.....but man we gotta long way to go.
 
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Not saying that play calling wasn’t factor. Just that it was way down the list. Take away the turnovers (which had very little to do with play calling), and the play calling was good enough to win.
 
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Attendance is going to be brutal by years end. The looks on everyone’s faces leaving the game was depressing. That Florida team is not good. I’m afraid we will go 3-9.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've listed several things above. I brought up Doug and recommended you go listen to someone that's more qualified to speak on the subject than you or I.
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That's cool. You're off the hook from trying to find an answer to my question, since it's obvious you do not have one. Also, there's a reason I don't listen to him, and his comment is an example of said reason.
Again, also, Butch Jones would probably be said to be more qualified than both you or I, so that doesn't hold much water now, does it?
 
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VolGee4 said:
That was one of the few good calls. The 26 first down runs were not. Counter, off tackle, toss sweep, inside zone, repeat.
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How did Dan Mullen outcoach Jeremy Pruitt on Shamburger's fumble, giving them the ball, AGAIN, inside their own 20?
 
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MrVolton said:
With all due respect man, you can view my post history if you want, but I’m not going to rehash it all.

Here is the gist:

Loss due to bad play calling: see 2017 Florida game where something like 16 snaps in the red zone were passes despite having one of the hottest RB’s in the SEC, resulting in a total of 3 pts.

Loss not due to play calling: see 2018 Florida game where 5 turnovers that either resulted in points for Florida or killed decent scoring opportunities for us.
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This.
 
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SugarCC said:
And I'll ask you as well: how did Dan Mullen outcoach Jeremy Pruitt on the Austin Pope play? And as I also said, I could go on with examples of this...
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One play?

Come on man.


The offensive plan gave their DL the ability to pin their ears back and play the run on 1st and 2nd down and rush the passer on 3rd. That's obvious as hell and it ain't debatable


Now as far as our defensive plan. I agree it's debable that our coaches weren't our coaches. However the excessive lopsided margin on the other side makes up for that.
 
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MrVolton said:
Not saying that play calling wasn’t factor. Just that it was way down the list. Take away the turnovers (which had very little to do with play calling), and the play calling was good enough to win.
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So unless I'm reading it wrong, you're argument is that since our OL is so bad, Helton shouldn't even try to scheme to hide it as much as he can.

Yeah the players made more than enough mental errors to lose this one on their own, but if he continues to try and force a square peg in a round hole with our OL the rest of the season it will hurt our slim chances to win.
 
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SugarCC said:
That's cool. You're off the hook from trying to find an answer to my question, since it's obvious you do not have one. Also, there's a reason I don't listen to him, and his comment is an example of said reason.
Again, also, Butch Jones would probably be said to be more qualified than both you or I, so that doesn't hold much water now, does it?
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Did you not see my post above? I cited three examples. Your response "our players suck".
Listen, you can anoint these coaches as the second coming of Saban but I've seen nothing to show me these guys are anything but learning how to coach at this level.

It's funny how much OF a broken record this is. Kiffin comes in.... He gets a pass, Fulmer left him with nothing.

Dooley, It's year zero. Kiffin nuked the program. He's got nothing to work with.
Butch... Dooley never recruited lineman, Butch is a great coach just doesn't have anything to work with.

Maybe Pruitt will get better but his team's have been ill prepared, they've not consistently out schemed anyone. They lack motivation. Their play calling is as pedestrian as a high school game. Are they handicapped by the roster? Absolutely. Are the players handicapped by their coaches? Absolutely. There's blame to go all around.
 
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I wouldn't say outcoached in every fashion.

Jordan blocking the outside rusher should have been a no brainer. Avoid the fumble there and no Florida TD. That's player problem.

Onside kick should have been easy but Theo Jackson doesn't block the 1 guy that make sure it is the easiest onside kick recovery ever for Taylor. This leads to bad field position Saftey and ensuing TD where Warrior quit on tackle. Player problems

Pope fumbles smh. Player problem.

Shamburger fumble wa lazy. I do wonder why the f he was even back there instead of chandler

Pruitt tried to put his guys in position to make big plays in big games. They couldn't step up to the plate. Callaway was given several balls to just be the playmaker and go make the play. He couldn't come down with them. Would have been seem big plays. I give some crap to refs here to thiugh. They let Henderson hold him all night.

I saw a team that had a coach that was coaching to get them back in it and put them in spots to do so but they didn't have the will to do it. I probably would have fed Jennings more. He seemed ready last night.

The coaching that I have an issue with is predictable offensive playcalling. Almost near stubbornness to run on first and 2nd leading to obvious passing downs on 3rd. It's not helping the OL issues. I don't know who the problem is there though. I feel like we are actually better pass blockers right now the run blockers. And we run better outside on tosses than inside but we seem set to run down middle.

Smith needs to play guard. He isn't not good at LT. We need him at LG.
 
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MrVolton said:
What about Will Overstreet? Apparently he talked this morning about how being so subpar on OL handcuffs your play calling. You can’t call QB rollout every snap for an entire half, much less for a full game.
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We didn’t need to just roll out. We could have used a quick passing game. Test their weak secondary. Put Chandler and Jordan in together and use some misdirection. You know, try to keep them guessing. But we chose two run every first and second.
 
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All those turnovers were a result of the team being underprepared both schematically and mentally. You can say the players made those errors - and they did - but there’s a reason Pruitt’s players made those errors (with 100,000 people behind them) and Mullen’s players didn’t (with 100,000 people against them).
 
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Kingston Vol said:
All those turnovers were a result of the team being underprepared both schematically and mentally. You can say the players made those errors - and they did - but there’s a reason Pruitt’s players made those errors (with 100,000 people behind them) and Mullen’s players didn’t (with 100,000 people against them).
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Mentally. Weak. Players.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Mentally. Weak. Players.
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I’m not disputing that! But the same **** was said about Florida all year last year and coming into this game and somehow they got over it. What’s the difference? They lost just as many games as we did last year. They had a coaching change just like we did. They had a total schematic change on both sides of the ball just like we did. Why were they able to come out and shove our faces in the dirt?
 
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Kingston Vol said:
All those turnovers were a result of the team being underprepared both schematically and mentally. You can say the players made those errors - and they did - but there’s a reason Pruitt’s players made those errors (with 100,000 people behind them) and Mullen’s players didn’t (with 100,000 people against them).
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Yeah, there was plenty of blame to go around with both players and coaches.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
All those turnovers were a result of the team being underprepared both schematically and mentally. You can say the players made those errors - and they did - but there’s a reason Pruitt’s players made those errors (with 100,000 people behind them) and Mullen’s players didn’t (with 100,000 people against them).
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I agree that's why the first wave of mistakes happened.

After that is was the losing feeling of 12/13 that set in
 
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