Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[butchna]

Tyler bray just wasn’t a great player. It has nothin to do with some mythical thing called “it factor”.

I know I’m in the minority probably in this but i just think it’s a really easy and lazy take when a player wins or loses mainly.

There are players that just deliver...all things being equal. Joe Montana, Tom Brady, John Elway...our own Casey Clausen. Hence the coined “It factor”. Big believer in it. It’s cool that you don’t, just acknowledge that you merely dismissing it as “mythical” doesn’t make it so. And I’m many things...but not LAZY.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Why "should" we beat UK and Vandy? Those teams look a lot more solid than us to this point.

I will buy that we "could" beat them.

Can we all please chill out until Kentucky actually plays someone of note? Geez.

 

[volinbama256]

6 wins, or we don't deserve to go to a bowl... I'm just old school.

 

[volinbama256]

Hey this is a random for all you guys who are stat junkies and can whip around that thar innernet ... I'd love to know what our recruiting ranking was compared to Texas A&M over the past four years... I think it would speak volumes of coaching/lack of coaching and player development... To see how they stacked up against Clemson and then we will see with AL...

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

The experience of being in Neyland for a big win is priceless..no game I've ever watched at a bar or at home compares. If I could go this weekend..I definitely would.

Exactly.

Life is about experiences, not money.
Fast forward 20-40 years... you’re on your death bed. Your heart will still race with excitement when you think of the night time atmosphere at Neyland Stadium, the rocking stands, the pomp and circumstance of our Vols getting their first (of many) wins over UF in the Pruitt Era. Can’t put a price on that - let alone something as marginal as 300.

If I hadn’t used up my entire vacation and sick days balance during my custody ordeal this past summer, I would definitely be there.

 

[volinbama256]

Did you see him play?

Yes, and it was one half against the Jets... I clearly don't like the guy, but what is Tyrod doing today with all this hype?

 

[JCP201]

If we get asked to a bowl, we should go. We need practice.

 

[volinbama256]

Delivering the first win since 2016 will do that.

Tru......... and the Browns need something... but man what are you doing today if you are Tyrod?

 

[volfanCLT]

Tru......... and the Browns need something... but man what are you doing today if you are Tyrod?

Wishing you could have mustered up more than 0 points in the 1st half against the Jets

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

That’s my point lol. There’s no such thing as “it factor”. A player loses and it’s determined they don’t have it. Does Eli Manning have more of a “it” factor than Aaron Rodgers? No.

Ah gotcha. Misunderstood your post. My bad.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Don't like this. Noticed JG kinda forcing it to Callaway at times..

At this point though we don’t really know if he’s forcing it to Callaway or if we’ve just been in situations where JG knows Callaway is way better than whoever is covering him and good things are more likely to happen than not if he throws it up and gives Callaway a chance.

When a WR outclasses a DB the way Callaway has the ost two weeks, it’s silly not to throw it up for grabs sometimes.

 

[HankHill]

If Bray had the "it" factor, he would have been a really great player. He had all the tools.

I think a lazier take is that a team lost a close game because the QB threw a first-quarter INT.

There’s no way of saying that. He struggled at times with accuracy. He didn’t process information faster than some QBs, he’s footwork was awful at times. There’s a lot more things that went into bray than whatever the hell “it” is.

 

[butchna]

Tru......... and the Browns need something... but man what are you doing today if you are Tyrod?

WGAF!

 

[Vols2DaWall]

Anybody here listen to the Dr. Death podcast? Insane.

 

[millst987]

Anybody here listen to the Dr. Death podcast? Insane.

Yeah, it’s totally insane.

 

[butchna]

Color me shocked!
Saban: Crimson Tide will keep playing both QBs

 

[ChismsHeadband]

There’s no way of saying that. He struggled at times with accuracy. He didn’t process information faster than some QBs, he’s footwork was awful at times. There’s a lot more things that went into bray than whatever the hell “it” is.

"At times"; "than some QBs"; "at times".. Lots of qualifiers there. No QB has perfect accuracy, footwork, or brainpower every snap of every game. Bray had a pretty dang good arm, could lean on that arm to get around having to use perfect footwork "at times", and I can't speak to how many progressions he could go through in a down. That'd be hard for anyone to measure.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point. I still think intangibles matter and that's make or break for QB's.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Color me shocked!
Saban: Crimson Tide will keep playing both QBs

Saban intentionally playing Hurts enough games so he can’t use a redshirt.

 

[chargervol]

There’s no way of saying that. He struggled at times with accuracy. He didn’t process information faster than some QBs, he’s footwork was awful at times. There’s a lot more things that went into bray than whatever the hell “it” is.

Geezus man, the definition may alter a little but it isn't as freaking difficult as you are making it.

For me: 1.Of course a rare level of talent but several talented players don't have that extra " it".

2. The refuse to lose mentality. Yes, everyone loses from time to time but you can see those that just can't except it until the final whistle/buzzer, whatever. And they seem to hate that feeling even more than those around them. And just will never concede anything.

3. And probably most important. When the pressure and adrenaline actually up your game. There are many talented players that have great games, WITH the team but when everything rests on them for that final shot final catch, throw or defense, they feel the pressure and it's a 50/50 shot.
While those with "it" somehow thrive off of that pressure and their game improves.

You add all 3 of these, there you go.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I just picked up my tickets, I'm so ready for tomorrow

 

[butchna]

Saban intentionally playing Hurts enough games so he can’t use a redshirt.

Not an I told you so guy but...?

 

[engineerVOL]

It’s weird to not have as many local Nashville-area prospects and commits to watch on Friday nights.

 

[HankHill]

Geezus man, the definition may alter a little but it isn't as freaking difficult as you are making it.

For me: 1.Of course a rare level of talent but several talented players don't have that extra " it".

2. The refuse to lose mentality. Yes, everyone loses from time to time but you can see those that just can't except it until the final whistle/buzzer, whatever. And they seem to hate that feeling even more than those around them. And just will never concede anything.

3. And probably most important. When the pressure and adrenaline actually up your game. There are many talented players that have great games, WITH the team but when everything rests on them for that final shot final catch, throw or defense, they feel the pressure and it's a 50/50 shot.
While those with "it" somehow thrive off of that pressure and their game improves.

You add all 3 of these, there you go.

My point is ... it usually changes when a player on a team sport loses or wins. Which is illogical imo.

 

[butchna]

My point is ... it usually changes when a player on a team sport loses or wins. Which is illogical imo.

Joe Montana is universally lauded as having “it”. After his rookie season, he didn’t lose. Manning, Brady, Staubach and Elway were major REASONS their teams won. So your theory hasn’t been really battle tested. I think an exception would be classic gunslingers. Namath, Favre and the like could also kill your own team because they had no stop button.

 

[SugarCC]

If we get asked to a bowl, we should go. We need practice.

This.