Kavanaugh Confirmation

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volinbham said:
It's not that what she did is wrong. Expecting someone to use this as a reason not vote for someone without providing more information is unrealistic. If she wanted the committee to consider this then she should have sent it to the committee. Further there is a world of difference between saying (as a constituent) don't vote for "x" because I a voter oppose it vs don't vote for "x" because he/she committed a crime against me.
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I think you’re assuming that she believed she could convince people of this. People can know something happened and want to take action but not believe anyone will believe jen. Sometimes they keep it to themselves and sometimes they take a less aggressive approach to just feel like they did something.

Orange_Crush said:
So, you're saying that some stranger would have called her a drunken slut 30 years ago for claiming rape? I'll play your game. I was in high school in the 80s. More than one girl claimed to be raped, or attempted date raped. I don't remember one person vilifying them. One of the girls accused the starting QB on our football team, and I still don't remember her being attacked.

It may have happened the way you say. But that still doesn't show that the response she is getting now would have been the response she got then.

Now, for the glaring part of your reply. In order to counter my argument that the responses would have been different then than now, 30 years later, as a timed part of a political theater, you prove your point by referencing the responses now, 30 years later, when she's part of a timed political stunt.

That's a bold move. It didn't work out for you. But you get points for boldness.
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So your anecdotal experience disproves all the evidence that women sufficiently fear people not believing them or slut shaming them to the extent that they delay or fail to report sexual misconduct? That’s what you’re going with?

Yeah, my original point that we live in a sad time where people will convince themselves of anything so long as it means they win has been well beaten. Take all the points you awarded yourself and enjoy the rest of your day.
Weezer said:
Do you believe her accusations are true? What about Kavanaugh's credibility when he says it didn't happen? The fact is, the credibility of both sides is in question because only one is telling the truth. To assume it's Ford simply because she's a woman is ludicrous. And quite honestly, the reason many here are questioning Ford's credibility is due to her own actions. She has not acted as a victim seeking to get her truth out there. She's playing political games, refusing to testify, trying to delay these hearings.

I'm not saying Ford is lying. The truth is, I don't know. But her own actions in this circus have hurt her credibility. And despite what the Dems would have everyone believe, the accusation alone does not make Kavanaugh guilty.
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I have no idea if she’s telling the truth. I doubt proof beyond a reasonable doubt exists at this point.

The democrats were/are hoping somebody else would come forward to make him out to be a repeat offender like what happened with Roy Moore.

I think what she did prior to being outed was within the reasonable spectrum.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I think you’re assuming that she believed she could convince people of this. People can know something happened and want to take action but not believe anyone will believe jen. Sometimes they keep it to themselves and sometimes they take a less aggressive approach to just feel like they did something.



So your anecdotal experience disproves all the evidence that women sufficiently fear people not believing them or slut shaming them to the extent that they delay or fail to report sexual misconduct? That’s what you’re going with?

Yeah, my original point that we live in a sad time where people will convince themselves of anything so long as it means they win has been well beaten. Take all the points you awarded yourself and enjoy the rest of your day.

I have no idea if she’s telling the truth. I doubt proof beyond a reasonable doubt exists at this point.

The democrats were/are hoping somebody else would come forward to make him out to be a repeat offender like what happened with Roy Moore.

I think what she did prior to being outed was within the reasonable spectrum.
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I've never made any point that you attribute to me, not even that she shouldn't have been afraid to come out. The ONLY points I've made are both true

  1. To use the treatment she's getting now, 30 years later, timed as political theater, as a comparative to what would have happened 30 years ago after it happened is ridiculous. Period.
  2. Sadly or not, the fact that she waited, and brings few facts (who/where/when) and no evidence, absolutely DOES hurt her credibility.

You seem to want to argue both of those points when arguing against those only makes you look ridiculous, much less the way you're trying to argue it (as mentioned).
 
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volinbham said:
Not what he said but it's certainly how it's been spun.
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Do you agree he should not have said it? (Similar to Hilary and her Deplorable statement, for example?) We are a very diverse country, and I would hope that especially a President would be inclusive and not misrepresent races/religions/voters, etc.
 
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JCP201 said:
Do you agree he should not have said it? (Similar to Hilary and her Deplorable statement, for example?) We are a very diverse country, and I would hope that especially a President would be inclusive and not misrepresent races/religions/voters, etc.
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You cant be serious with the bolded section, right?

"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."-Obama
 
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SLICKYINC said:
You cant be serious with the bolded section, right?

"They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."-Obama
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I am serious. He got raked over the coals for that. Yes, I voted for him but I didn't want to vote for another Republican at that point, even though I was skeptical. Obviously, Obama wasn't perfect, but to me he was alright as far as Presidents go. I know that doesn't go over well in this forum.
 
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JCP201 said:
I am serious. He got raked over the coals for that. Yes, I voted for him but I didn't want to vote for another Republican at that point, even though I was skeptical. Obviously, Obama wasn't perfect, but to me he was alright as far as Presidents go. I know that doesn't go over well in this forum.
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I rarely say anything about the guy and I don't have any issues with people liking him. My biggest issue is people not seeing any faults in him and hammering away at any and every R for the exact same things they do with a complete bias.
 
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JCP201 said:
I am serious. He got raked over the coals for that. Yes, I voted for him but I didn't want to vote for another Republican at that point, even though I was skeptical. Obviously, Obama wasn't perfect, but to me he was alright as far as Presidents go. I know that doesn't go over well in this forum.
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I was ok with him too. Until he lied and rammed through a complete overhaul of my insurance. Now I pay more, for worse coverage, and at a higher expense for my employer. Awesome! Oh and don’t forget he lied to ram it down our throats.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I've never made any point that you attribute to me, not even that she shouldn't have been afraid to come out. The ONLY points I've made are both true

  1. To use the treatment she's getting now, 30 years later, timed as political theater, as a comparative to what would have happened 30 years ago after it happened is ridiculous. Period.
  2. Sadly or not, the fact that she waited, and brings few facts (who/where/when) and no evidence, absolutely DOES hurt her credibility.

You seem to want to argue both of those points when arguing against those only makes you look ridiculous, much less the way you're trying to argue it (as mentioned).
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I’m not arguing how things hypothetically would have been 30 years ago (talk about ridiculous). Although, it’s pretty clear that delayed reporting is not a new phenomenon, so I would assume that there’s always been a reason for it.

What I was saying is that some of what’s being said now is exemplary of the fears women have that cause them not to come forward, and I gave examples.

The fact that women don’t always come forward is why Ford not coming forward sooner is not a valid criteria for assessing her credibility. Especially when this is obviously not a recently made up story.

Maybe you think the political theater distinction changes that. I don’t.

If anything, it’s worse that some people would behave that way over whether or not their party gets to choose the next Supreme Court Justice now or next month.
 
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golfballs said:


She demands a stagecoach to travel in. And on her trip she will need to stop and spend a few weeks with her Aunt Sally in Fort Laramie. If the misogynists in the senate can’t grant her this simple request it’s clear they don’t really want the truth to come out
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Let me guess. She’ll break down halfway there and need to push the hearing out another week.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I’m not arguing how things hypothetically would have been 30 years ago (talk about ridiculous). Although, it’s pretty clear that delayed reporting is not a new phenomenon, so I would assume that there’s always been a reason for it.

What I was saying is that some of what’s being said now is exemplary of the fears women have that cause them not to come forward, and I gave examples.

The fact that women don’t always come forward is why Ford not coming forward sooner is not a valid criteria for assessing her credibility. Especially when this is obviously not a recently made up story.

Maybe you think the political theater distinction changes that. I don’t.

If anything, it’s worse that some people would behave that way over whether or not their party gets to choose the next Supreme Court Justice now or next month.
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she is getting the reaction now because she has zero proof. If she brought something forward, people would listen. as it is now its a political stunt, so yeah she is getting called on it. you can't bring this type of allegation forward without something, even when/if nothing gets proved and Kavanaugh gets approved this will still sit on him. she has definitely had a major negative impact on his life and possibly career for something that may have happened. its a non equal standard here.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Let me guess. She’ll break down halfway there and need to push the hearing out another week.
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And she doesn’t like to drive at night. Or in the rain. Or when there is direct sunshine as she’s run out of wiper fluid and the sun makes it hard to see out. Also prefers not to take highways or toll roads.
 
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