QB job is Keller Chryst's to lose going into 2nd scrimmage

[a vol n tears]

This is JGs 3rd year of college. His future is now. If he can’t beat out KC this year I see no future for him at UT. I would love to see both get playing time against WV so we as fans can move on and support whichever it is. No excuses if one out plays the other.

 

[sjt18]

When does an announcement have to be made as to who the starter will be? Is there a regulation that says? Or can any team just roll whoever out there and not say?

No. I think the NFL has a rule requiring starters be announced at a certain point prior to a game but CFB does not.

Word will get out once they head into game prep week and probably after the scrimmage this weekend. If there is a decision... and we all need to hope there is... then one of the guys will start getting the starter's rep % with the 1's. They didn't "announce" a starter last year until well after it was a known answer. Sometime within two weeks of the 1st game, QD started taking the majority of the 1st team snaps and always went out first with the 1st team O.

 

[Rudy123]

There you go "playing the race card"

 

[sjt18]

This is JGs 3rd year of college. His future is now. If he can’t beat out KC this year I see no future for him at UT. I would love to see both get playing time against WV so we as fans can move on and support whichever it is. No excuses if one out plays the other.

The vast majority of the time... if you have 2 QB's you don't have one. I hope Pruitt is smart enough not to risk splitting the locker room or splitting the reps so that neither guy can prepare to the fullest extent possible. Jones left indecision last year. Hopefully Pruitt isn't that stupid.

 

[Rudy123]

This is JGs 3rd year of college. His future is now. If he can’t beat out KC this year I see no future for him at UT. I would love to see both get playing time against WV so we as fans can move on and support whichever it is. No excuses if one out plays the other.

So, do you feel that J.G. will transfer, if he doesn't become the starter??????? That would leave McBride & Stroudt this season as back ups until the new q.b comes in with the next recruiting class.

 

[Rudy123]

This is JGs 3rd year of college. His future is now. If he can’t beat out KC this year I see no future for him at UT. I would love to see both get playing time against WV so we as fans can move on and support whichever it is. No excuses if one out plays the other.

So, do you feel that J.G. will transfer, if he doesn't become the starter??????? That would leave McBride & Stroudt this season as back ups until the new q.b comes in with the next recruiting class.

 

[Rudy123]

The vast majority of the time... if you have 2 QB's you don't have one. I hope Pruitt is smart enough not to risk splitting the locker room or splitting the reps so that neither guy can prepare to the fullest extent possible. Jones left indecision last year. Hopefully Pruitt isn't that stupid.

I hope that Pruitt has K.C. in mind as the starter BUT he lets them both play extensively thru the Florida game, then once the Florida game is over, he can let J.G. sit.
There have been years past when we played two q.b.'s in the beginning of the season, then after the third game, we only played one.

 

[k-town_king]

Maybe an honest mistake by that article but

Why? Saying that requires you to know that UT has not or will not bring in a QB with more upside than JG. If he's the established starter considering where UT's program has been for the last couple of years.... then that makes it much more difficult to recruiter a top tier QB.

Also... Pruitt a few times has barely been able to contain his excitement over Shrout. He mentioned he probably has the best arm in the group which is saying a lot considering JG's arm. IMHO, if JG doesn't overcome his decision making and game mgt issues to win the job this year... Shrout will pass him before next August if he doesn't transfer first.

Those were td/int numbers. The article listed stats. The qb isn't solely responsible for wins and losses so its never listed when discussing qb stats.

They have said good things about all three qbs. Shrout hasn't received any "barely containable praise" that the others haven't.

Shrout appears to have a good arm like JG. Some people say JG has the best they have ever seen, some say Shrout MAY have the best arm. The reports also all say Shrout gets inaccurate and is lost on the field many times. They say he has a long, long way to get where JG and KC are mentally. They say by far he is the worst at the mental aspects and game management.

No way that in one year he improves his game management and decision making to catch and pass JG. He was 51% with 26ints as a SR and the writers have repeatedly said he still has accuracy and decision making issues. But sure JG will be passed up by him. Its funny how you ignore those facts.

We already have a bg time qb coming next year, may get two. JG starting won't prevent us from getting Maurer or TT. One of them will most likely be the starter after JG if Shrout doesn't get much more accurate and improve his decision making.

 

[sjt18]

So, you know for sure that that happened as stated, even though all other news from camp say otherwise. Why does this one article hold so much sway for you? Maybe because it says what you wanted to hear. Eventhough no one else around the program has been saying that.

Where have I done anything BUT qualify that report as "if true"? Maybe because you are offended by anything that doesn't support what you want to believe?

I "want to hear" that one of these guys has stepped up and taken the job. Do you? Or only if it is "Guarantano has stepped up and taken the job"? Can you honestly say that you haven't attached your ego to JG?

I can honestly say that I can happily pull for either guy... and just as happily criticize their shortcomings. All other things being equal... I'd actually rather it be JG if he's grown up emotionally and mastered decision making and management of the O. He has the better arm. He appears to have the better accuracy at least in routes on air. The players apparently like him. He is tough though I think UT and he would be better off if he didn't prove it quite so often. There's a ton PHYSICALLY to like about JG. But the things he has lacked are things that will cost the team wins.

 

[sjt18]

..

Your extreme bias shades everything you say. You can't bring yourself to give credit to anyone else... Do you somehow think denying JG's flaws or the strengths of others makes them disappear?

In the name of fairness here, I'll tell you my concerns about KC. He doesn't have the arm strength JG has. He doesn't appear to have the accuracy either. Worse yet... he appears to just get wild with the ball once in awhile.... just throws it behind receivers or underthrows or overthrows for no apparent reason. In the SEC... those are picks. Those are game changers. Those are opportunities to have WR injuries that UT cannot afford. Even if he makes the "right decision" and cannot deliver the ball accurately consistently then there will be major problems.

This is my take having very limited information on how KC does when reporters aren't around. There are pitchers in baseball that can't hit the strike zone without a batter at the plate then become a spot pitcher when they have one. They need a reference point. Some QB's concentrate better when they have defenders to throw away from. If that isn't KC, and his time at Stanford doesn't seem to prove it is, then his accuracy could become a problem.

IF... the nod is to KC because JG has not developed the non-physical skills... then it won't be a matter of KC winning it but of JG losing it... and that is THE worst case scenario. We WANT a single starter by game 1... and we DON'T want Pruitt making a choice between the "game manager" and the better thrower.

 

[MiramarVol]

Guy seems to also imply in that podcast that JG is a whiner when he gets hard coaching. I don't know if this is true but we did see some sulking last season when he didn't start the first game. Whomever wins will be the best guy I don't think they would let a Grad transfer win the job if we wasn't better and vice versa let the sophomore have it if the Grad Transfer was better. I am for whomever wins let the battle continue.

If it was truly that, then it would have been stated and not implied. The reporters see about 5-10 min of practice and its usually air routes. Not much coaching is going on unless its about missing a throw. Its funny how this has NEVER been mentioned by any media before concerning JG's "disdain for hard coaching".

 

[AndyMizunogolfer]

No reason? What do you mean by that? You can't imagine an advantage for JG having had 3 years with some of the receivers, at least 1 with most of them, and spring ball?

Who do you think was lazy? What caused you to think that?

PS- I don't think either guy is a running QB but both have proven they can move around and make plays with their feet when they absolutely have to.

The offense is new for everyone. While yes JG had a head start and some more familiarity with players. That is nothing that should have really put him that far ahead of KC in terms of KC being much more mature hes what 2/3 years older? At his age and experience I would have expected KC to really set himself up better. If we were talking about same system then yeah JG had a clear advantage.

Maybe it was just my observation on the fan day but he just did not carry himself or seem to put forth much effort in what was going on. Of course that was a small sample and they have a lot of practice left.

 

[a vol n tears]

I don’t want JG to transfer. I just think he has/will get recruited over if he is in his 3rd year here and can’t beat out KC. Too many freshmen are getting starts now. Even in the SEC. I understand they are rare talents, but I expect Pruitt to be able to recruit just as well as Ga, Bama, aTm, etc. and get that kind of talent. Baring injury, the future is now for JG.

 

[KBVol]

That's exactly what the podcast says. It's a two-man race but Chryst's to lose going into the second scrimmage. If he does well, then it's his job.

Just heard Austin Price on 104.5 the zone in Nashville say that he’s spoken to several people within the program since last week’s scrimmage....said concensus was that Chryst had his best day of practice that day, but he WAS NOT better than JG and that Austin would still be “shocked” if JG isn’t the starter vs WVa. Tifwiw.

 

[VolAmerican]

Maybe KC does win the starting QB job, but JG played exceptionally well in the Spring game. The one aspect holding JG back is his internal clock that seems to malfunction every few downs and a sack or play gets blown up as a result. If he could speed up his surveying of the field before he throws and get rid of the ball faster, he would be our guy. I guarantee thats Pruitt's hesitation with him.

 

[MiramarVol]

Your extreme bias shades everything you say. You can't bring yourself to give credit to anyone else... Do you somehow think denying JG's flaws or the strengths of others makes them disappear?

Ktown is Pro JG. You are Pro KC. You two are never going to see eye to eye. I dont see the reason why you feel you have reply to every post of his. Just block or ignore, but we'll see in a few days who actually leads. It shouldnt matter who it is as long as they lead us to victory.

 

[butchna]

So, do you feel that J.G. will transfer, if he doesn't become the starter??????? That would leave McBride & Stroudt this season as back ups until the new q.b comes in with the next recruiting class.

He stays and uses the graduate transfer option in the Spring...if the season doesn’t play out for him.

 

[jakez4ut]

He stays and uses the graduate transfer option in the Spring...if the season doesn’t play out for him.

well if he is going to transfer, hopefully he does it before NSD in feb. then we can go after Taulia and Harrison.

 

[sjt18]

Ktown is Pro JG. You are Pro KC.

Nope. I am pro-UT. Tying myself to one guy or the other would betray that. JG has strengths. KC is more of an unknown to me so I have less to criticize. I am concerned though about JG's mental and emotional development as a QB.

In a very limited sample set, I am concerned about KC's accuracy and his apparent recklessness with the ball while at Stanford.

I really want one of these guys to "be the GUY"... and soon.

You two are never going to see eye to eye. I dont see the reason why you feel you have reply to every post of his. Just block or ignore, but we'll see in a few days who actually leads. It shouldnt matter who it is as long as they lead us to victory.

Because I enjoy debating people who disagree with me. I learn more doing that than by ONLY engaging people who agree with me. k-town is interesting to me in particular because he is SO diehard JG that he sees no weaknesses in him and no strengths in those competing with him... at least strengths that do not need to be qualified with "but JG is better". He's going to push JG to the extreme.

 

[k-town_king]

Your extreme bias shades everything you say. You can't bring yourself to give credit to anyone else... Do you somehow think denying JG's flaws or the strengths of others makes them disappear?

In the name of fairness here, I'll tell you my concerns about KC. He doesn't have the arm strength JG has. He doesn't appear to have the accuracy either. Worse yet... he appears to just get wild with the ball once in awhile.... just throws it behind receivers or underthrows or overthrows for no apparent reason. In the SEC... those are picks. Those are game changers. Those are opportunities to have WR injuries that UT cannot afford. Even if he makes the "right decision" and cannot deliver the ball accurately consistently then there will be major problems.

This is my take having very limited information on how KC does when reporters aren't around. There are pitchers in baseball that can't hit the strike zone without a batter at the plate then become a spot pitcher when they have one. They need a reference point. Some QB's concentrate better when they have defenders to throw away from. If that isn't KC, and his time at Stanford doesn't seem to prove it is, then his accuracy could become a problem.

IF... the nod is to KC because JG has not developed the non-physical skills... then it won't be a matter of KC winning it but of JG losing it... and that is THE worst case scenario. We WANT a single starter by game 1... and we DON'T want Pruitt making a choice between the "game manager" and the better thrower.

Extreme bias? You are the one saying Shrout will take JG's spot by next year due to game management and decision making issues. Yet you ignore the FACT that JG made better decisions and managed SEC games better than Shrout did hs games. Now in camp the reports say Shrout is light years behind in those skills but he will play over JG based on those skills?

That doesn't add up. Please address why you think Shrout will pass him up by next August when he is way worse at what you say JG is so bad at. So gm and dm don't mater for Shrout?

"He doesn't have the arm strength JG has. He doesn't appear to have the accuracy either. Worse yet... he appears to just get wild with the ball once in awhile.... just throws it behind receivers or underthrows or overthrows for no apparent reason. In the SEC... those are picks."

Pretty much what I have been saying and the reasons I think JG starts. He is a better passer.

I think better game manger too. You can't manage a game being inaccurate. KC has never developed the "non-physical skills." If he had, he wouldn't be a 54% passer who lost his job.

 

[MiramarVol]

KC is a 5th yr senior that lost his job and decided to go somewhere else. Anywhere we went to, he'd have to compete for the job. It would have been just as easy to stay at Stanford and fight for what was his instead of leaving.

JG has his issues as well. Hopefully, with a better OC and QB coach, he has learned and has improved. But, if our OL hasnt improved it wouldnt matter if Brady was back there. We'd end up just like we did last year, getting murdered.

So, lets get past the QB debate and focus on our real issue the OL. It all starts up front. If they can't open holes or protect, we lose.

 

[Rudy123]

I don’t want JG to transfer. I just think he has/will get recruited over if he is in his 3rd year here and can’t beat out KC. Too many freshmen are getting starts now. Even in the SEC. I understand they are rare talents, but I expect Pruitt to be able to recruit just as well as Ga, Bama, aTm, etc. and get that kind of talent. Baring injury, the future is now for JG.

A lot of "IF's" being thrown around in this scenario. I do think that bUTch got lazy on recruiting and used his relationship with JG's dad when bUTch was at Rutgers. It was fairly easy to get JG to U.T. based on bUTch's relationship with JG's dad.

 

[k-town_king]

Ktown is Pro JG. You are Pro KC. You two are never going to see eye to eye. I dont see the reason why you feel you have reply to every post of his. Just block or ignore, but we'll see in a few days who actually leads. It shouldnt matter who it is as long as they lead us to victory.

He is not pro KC. Just anti JG. He latched on to Dormady. Disappeared when he left. Now it alternates between Shrout and KC depending on which one looks to have the best chance to beat JG out at the moment.

I am pro JG because I believe he gives us he best chance to win.

I have given scientific reasoning for my belief in JG being the best option.

SEC qbs need to be accurate, take care of the ball, be able to make many types of throws, and go downfield when needed. He gives the best combination of these traits based on all available data IMO.

 

[sjt18]

Extreme bias? You are the one saying Shrout will take JG's spot by next year due to game management and decision making issues. Yet you ignore the FACT that JG made better decisions and managed SEC games better than Shrout did hs games. Now in camp the reports say Shrout is light years behind in those skills but he will play over JG based on those skills?

Nope. Not what I said. Read it again in context. IF JG has not caught up in the mental part of the game and assuming Shrout has a normal learning curve... he will pass JG before next fall. I know you can't bring yourself to admit JG has any weaknesses but he was behind where he should have been last fall... and his problems are not physical. Physically, he is as good as any I've seen since at least Bray... maybe Manning.

That doesn't add up. Please address why you think Shrout will pass him up by next August when he is way worse at what you say JG is so bad at. So gm and dm don't mater for Shrout?

Just did but in short... it isn't as much a matter of Shrout doing something extraordinary but the potential that JG could fail to develop that aspect of the game as required.

"He doesn't have the arm strength JG has. He doesn't appear to have the accuracy either. Worse yet... he appears to just get wild with the ball once in awhile.... just throws it behind receivers or underthrows or overthrows for no apparent reason. In the SEC... those are picks."

Pretty much what I have been saying and the reasons I think JG starts. He is a better passer.

I think better game manger too. You can't manage a game being inaccurate. KC has never developed the "non-physical skills." If he had, he wouldn't be a 54% passer who lost his job.

Being QB REQUIRES good decision making and game management. JG has left lots of questions in that regard. He does well against air but under game pressure last year and according to this report in live scrimmage work this past weekend... he's indecisive or else fails to make the right reads.

Did you ignore what I posted above about sacks? JG took 26 in 6 games. You can say "OL"... but that doesn't excuse him for holding the ball too long as he did MANY times. If he had thrown 20 of those away rather than taking the sack... he would have saved a lot of yardage, a lot of hits on his body, and.... would have a completion % in the range of QD and KC who you condemn. NOT taking sacks is a HUGE part of game management for a QB.


IF we were assuming no improvement by either guy... then UT has BIG problems. So when we get reports that progress has been made, that's meaningful. But when we get reports that problems have shown up again... that's even more meaningful. That's true of either guy. You just won't admit that it is true of JG.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Then solution to our QB is simple. Send the boys to Professor Sergio Canavero. He will select the parts of each player with the best attributes. Then surgically attach to create a hybrid combined QB specimen. Afterward, ship it back to CJP to run the UT offense. And I assume shut up us fans on the issue. More than likely, the media will complain they weren't informed if the brain fusion was done with vertical or horizontal slices. Now, as for the girlfriends, well, I....