Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[jakez4ut]

Do we practice today?

don't think so. i think today is a film day iirc.

 

[rjd970]

Form the cfb matrix guys... they’re predicting 6-6.

I'm predicting 7-5. We will beat one of Florida or S. Carolina. Everything else looks about right IMO. That middle stretch is going to be brutal.

WVU game will be interesting. We win that one and we could be looking at a 8-4 or even 9-3 season.

 

[jakez4ut]

Yea i don’t understand that either. That seems to me like they are trying to hedge their previous reporting in the JG was “pulling away” (which i heard people talk that they thought JG was ahead). But to me if either guy is pulling away then there is no point in wasting a valuable scrimmage in only giving him like 30% of the reps win the 1s.

valid point. i take back what i said earlier on this.. lol.

 

[Sleegro]

Uhhh Rickie and McIlroy are both 5'9" and like 150 lbs. The length of the driver, club head speed, and the club head allow them to hit the ball a mile

I'm not going by listed. I've seen them in person from just a few feet away. Rickie is small. McIlroy is not that small. He may be that height, but he is not a small guy. He's built like a stockier version of Tiger. There were even critics a few years ago saying he had gotten too jacked for golf.

Is Rory too jacked for his own good? A definitive answer

 

[butchna]

so why all the hand wringing over it then?

It’s what he do. Found the best method of dealing with his condition is give him the VN equivalent of a belt to bite down on when there’s any kind of unresolved situation. When the lights come back on for him, he’ll catch up to us.

 

[Vols4us]

And you just proved my point. Spieth and Koepka won’t be denied when they have their best stuff? Tiger didn’t have his best stuff yday, but still shot the lowest score in the final round. That’s an it factor that is unmatched...his it factor is being about grind out the best possible score when things are firing on all cylinders. That’s what separated him from everyone for over a decade. When he didn’t have everything working, he won because he outwilled everyone. Case in point...winning the 2008 US Open with a fractured tibia and no ACL. When everything was working, he blew fields away.

You realize that was the lowest round in a major that Tiger has ever shot? It was not anywhere near the norm even for him. He's always been a grinder with a flair for the right shot at the right time. He rode hot short irons and a blistering putter into contention on a course that perfectly fit what he had that day. He can't out drive other great players or the course itself any more. I take this as a one off until he proves he can do it with the rest of his game on courses that challenge his distance shots and putting abilities on harder/faster surfaces. He's got to physically find a swing with the metals and long irons that move him past his spinal fusion. He even acknowledges that and thinks he can. I won't bet against him. But his window in now due to his age and cumulative effect of his injuries. Meanwhile he has Koepka, DJ, Spieth, Thomas, Rory, Day, etc, to prove it against. If he can beat them to win one, he deserves the adulation. JMO.

 

[VolGee4]

McIlroy is bigger than listed. He and Day are both very well built.

Even if that is off by an inch and 5 pounds, he still isn't big. McIlroy and Thomas are the smallest bay far in the top 10 in driving distance. McIlroy is #1. Most of the other guys are at least 6'3" or 185+ pounds.

 

[whitw]

The young guys are really, really good. The chip that Thomas made on 11 was just ridiculous. That said, I wonder if the drivers need to be reigned in. I haven't played in a few years because of kids, but I know my bag has old technology. I believe it was Faldo who mentioned that something has to change. It's one thing for Koepka to bomb it, but Thomas, McIlroy, and Day are not huge guys. I understand the 300+ yard drives, but the 350+ makes me wonder if a change needs to be made.

The newer balls are as much a factor as the clubs. Something is gonna have to give. 1/2 the field can now overpower a typical PGA tour course.

 

[Rishvol]

You need to subtly ease the discussion from golf to football, something like this...

Is there any truth to the rumor that JG was out hitting wedges on the practice field this a.m.? Thanks in advance...I'll hang up and listen.

You saying he needs to play more like a dink and dunk Tiger?

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

The newer balls are as much a factor. Something is gonna have to give.

 

[Sleegro]

You realize that was the lowest round in a major that Tiger has ever shot? It was not anywhere near the norm even for him. He's always been a grinder with a flair for the right shot at the right time. He rode hot short irons and a blistering putter into contention on a course that perfectly fit what he had that day. He can't out drive other great players or the course itself any more. I take this as a one off until he proves he can do it with the rest of his game on courses that challenge his distance shots and putting abilities on harder/faster surfaces. He's got to physically find a swing with the metals and long irons that move him past his spinal fusion. He even acknowledges that and thinks he can. I won't bet against him. But his window in now due to his age and cumulative effect of his injuries. Meanwhile he has Koepka, DJ, Spieth, Thomas, Rory, Day, etc, to prove it against. If he can beat them to win one, he deserves the adulation. JMO.

So you don't count what he did at the British or any of the other tournaments this year where he's played very well?

 

[SpringBokVol]

I play golf - carry a 5.4 GHIN and love Tiger.

Come @ me

 

[Sleegro]

You need to subtly ease the discussion from golf to football, something like this...

Is there any truth to the rumor that JG was out hitting wedges on the practice field this a.m.? Thanks in advance...I'll hang up and listen.

Here's the tie in you need. The guy who took Chryst's job at Stanford may be more accurate golfing than throwing.

Stanford's QB helped his teammate by hitting golf balls at him

 

[jakez4ut]

It’s what he do. Found the best method of dealing with his condition is give him the VN equivalent of a belt to bite down on when there’s any kind of unresolved situation. When the lights come back on for him, he’ll catch up to us.

 

[Ertel]

You realize that was the lowest round in a major that Tiger has ever shot? It was not anywhere near the norm even for him. He's always been a grinder with a flair for the right shot at the right time. He rode hot short irons and a blistering putter into contention on a course that perfectly fit what he had that day. He can't out drive other great players or the course itself any more. I take this as a one off until he proves he can do it with the rest of his game on courses that challenge his distance shots and putting abilities on harder/faster surfaces. He's got to physically find a swing with the metals and long irons that move him past his spinal fusion. He even acknowledges that and thinks he can. I won't bet against him. But his window in now due to his age and cumulative effect of his injuries. Meanwhile he has Koepka, DJ, Spieth, Thomas, Rory, Day, etc, to prove it against. If he can beat them to win one, he deserves the adulation. JMO.

it was his lowest final round in major history. Hes shot a 63 before and had another 64 in the british open. Not to nitpick, just saying.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

this is it. solid stuff.

Not solid stuff. That whole clip involved Butch Jones and a loss to the dawgs. That sucked.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

You have to have the brain capacity of a chipmunk to willingly stand there and do that.

And I realize I may be insulting chipmunks, who more than likely would never be that dumb.

 

[volfanCLT]

Hue making Calloway play the whole game as his punishment might be the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard lol

No wonder he’s 1-31

 

[jakez4ut]

Hue making Calloway play the whole game as his punishment might be the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard lol

No wonder he’s 1-31

cleveland. 'nuff said.

 

[Sleegro]

Even if that is off by an inch and 5 pounds, he still isn't big. McIlroy and Thomas are the smallest bay far in the top 10 in driving distance. McIlroy is #1. Most of the other guys are at least 6'3" or 185+ pounds.

Hmmm, weird how a lot of golf analysts say guys like Tiger, Rory, and Jason Day may be too thick and bulky for golf. I get what yer saying but the guys yer listing other than Justin Thomas and Rickie Fowler are all workout warriors like Tiger. They're not as tall as DJ, but they aren't small guys. I went to a tournament a couple years ago and that was the most surprising thing to me. These guys all are starting to get built like Tiger was back in the day.

 

[Vols4us]

So you don't count what he did at the British or any of the other tournaments this year where he's played very well?

Not saying that at all. But he has not played well with his driver and long irons. He's used his driving iron stinger to stay in fairways on most courses. That usually leaves you with a longer club to hit on the approach, but at Bellerive and even at Carnoustie it was a short iron in. He blocks his long irons frequently. That's what got Greg Norman beat a lot when he should have won majors.

He has played at a great level for somebody out that long with a spinal fusion. But here's what happens when you are a golfer and have back or neck surgery. The docs will only allow you to putt X number of weeks/month afterwards. Then later you can chip, then pitch, then hit short irons. The path back has benchmarks for therapy as well as S&C. Tiger being who he is has come back when others could not, especially at his age. But he's had to rely on the things he has been able to practice the longest that are not strongly affected by the full swing of longer clubs. He's probably putting and chipping better this year than he ever has because I'm sure he wore it out trying to get well. But on hard surfaces when its tougher to control the short shots and putts, it makes it harder as the US Open showed when he missed the cut. But he's Tiger, I won't put it past him to find ways to get it done.

 

[LA Vol]

No practice today. Another scrimmage next Saturday, and the limited-contact players will probably be eased in.

 

[VolGee4]

Not solid stuff. That whole clip involved Butch Jones and a loss to the dawgs. That sucked.

That may have been the loudest game that I have ever attended, and I was at the 98 UF game. Undermanned team and still should have won. Defense needed a stop.

 

[jakez4ut]

Not saying that at all. But he has not played well with his driver and long irons. He's used his driving iron stinger to stay in fairways on most courses. That usually leaves you with a longer club to hit on the approach, but at Bellerive and even at Carnoustie it was a short iron in. He blocks his long irons frequently. That's what got Greg Norman beat a lot when he should have won majors.

He has played at a great level for somebody out that long with a spinal fusion. But here's what happens when you are a golfer and have back or neck surgery. The docs will only allow you to putt X number of weeks/month afterwards. Then later you can chip, then pitch, then hit short irons. The path back has benchmarks for therapy as well as S&C. Tiger being who he is has come back when others could not, especially at his age. But he's had to rely on the things he has been able to practice the longest that are not strongly affected by the full swing of longer clubs. He's probably putting and chipping better this year than he ever has because I'm sure he wore it out trying to get well. But on hard surfaces when its tougher to control the short shots and putts, it makes it harder as the US Open showed when he missed the cut. But he's Tiger, I won't put it past him to find ways to get it done.

there's a lot here i agree with. i do think the course, specifically how receptive the greens were, was a factor in how he was able to play. but everyone had to play it. so there's that.

i do agree on harder, faster courses, where you can't just go at the pin like they did this week, it would negate some of that for him. he'd have to get more accurate off the tee for sure.

having said all that....i think the thing that should stand out is that he did shoot a 64 on the final day while scrambling his butt off.

this is jmo, but i seriously doubt the majority of the field could shoot 64 on a sunday at a major playing the way he did off the tee, regardless of the conditions.

 

[jakez4ut]

on a slightly unrleated, but really, related topic....despite all the qb talk, i think the best news about fall camp so far is the only injury report we've had is precautionary stuff regarding Hall and Jennings.