Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[VolGee4]

i did laugh when Koepka was being interviewed and they asked him about the Tiger affect and he said "yeah, when Tiger made is little run there..." they're definitely not intimidated by him. not at all.

Tiger was too far back to start on a course like that. His 70 on day one wasn't good enough. He needed to shoot a couple under to have a legit shot.

 

[VolGee4]

Just makes me not care at all about what he does and it surprises me how many fans(especially female) he still has. Reminds me of Bill Clinton.

I just enjoy watching him play. It's entertainment. Just like some like watching Lebron play. I went there.

 

[jakez4ut]

The young guys are really, really good. The chip that Thomas made on 11 was just ridiculous. That said, I wonder if the drivers need to be reigned in. I haven't played in a few years because of kids, but I know my bag has old technology. I believe it was Faldo who mentioned that something has to change. It's one thing for Koepka to bomb it, but Thomas, McIlroy, and Day are not huge guys. I understand the 300+ yard drives, but the 350+ makes me wonder if a change needs to be made.

you don't have to be huge. Fowler, Thomas, Simpson etc...these guys are twigs. it's all about shoulder to the knees and how much control can you have as you rotate thru the ball. but put a little muscle behind it like Tiger used to do or Koepka does now, and it's ridiculous.

i'm always impressed when you watch some of those guys finish a swing, to see where their shoulders and hands are behind their head.

i'd be in the hospital. it's also why Tiger has such a bad back and knees now. lot of torque required.

 

[Sleegro]

The young guys are really, really good. The chip that Thomas made on 11 was just ridiculous. That said, I wonder if the drivers need to be reigned in. I haven't played in a few years because of kids, but I know my bag has old technology. I believe it was Faldo who mentioned that something has to change. It's one thing for Koepka to bomb it, but Thomas, McIlroy, and Day are not huge guys. I understand the 300+ yard drives, but the 350+ makes me wonder if a change needs to be made.

McIlroy and Day are not small guys if you see them in person. Justin Thomas is one of the few guys out there that doesn't look like he works out at all. He really is small. I think club technology plays a part but one of the things Tiger did for the game is make people realize that hitting the weights can help in golf a lot. All of those guys are a lot bigger and better athletes than golf used to have and that definitely plays a part in the driving distance as well as the club technology.

 

[jakez4ut]

Tiger was too far back to start on a course like that. His 70 on day one wasn't good enough. He needed to shoot a couple under to have a legit shot.

he had a legit shot, based on how koepka played.

siap, but he finds some fairways, have a couple of the lip out birdie putts on the front go in, and he would have been sniffing around 60 yesterday.

on the same token, koepka left some birdies, maybe even an eagle, on the course yesterday too. so i see what you're saying.

 

[LaagerVol]

Once again let me explain..I was really hoping that JGs performance last year was a result of..

A. Bad to non-existent Coaching
B. Horrible play calling
C. The worst OL play I have ever seen at Tennessee.

Since we all agree that all of that happened, and everybody acknowleges that JG has a ton untapped potential...My hope was and still is that the new coaches we have, who we believe are supposed to be really good, could actually pull that potential out of him, making last years performace irrelevant...looks like I was wrong, since it looks to me like they are going with the quick check down king.

I do not believe KC has any untapped potential. At this point he is what he is.

I don't have any hope for above average QB play this year now, if JG has not separated himself from KC by now, he probably isn't going to. I hope it is better than I think.

So irrational. Smh

 

[Nashvegas31]

I don't really understand the vq staff thinking he could be playing mind games with JG to test him because he gave Chryst reps with ones. I mean you can't really have a fair competition unless you have both QBs repping with the ones. Not exactly mind games. Just being fair with the reps like at other positions.

 

[Sleegro]

I don't really understand the vq staff thinking he could be playing mind games with JG to test him because he gave Chryst reps with ones. I mean you can't really have a fair competition unless you have both QBs repping with the ones. Not exactly mind games. Just being fair with the reps like at other positions.

This. It's something Pruitt has always said he was going to do. Everyone will get reps.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't really understand the vq staff thinking he could be playing mind games with JG to test him because he gave Chryst reps with ones. I mean you can't really have a fair competition unless you have both QBs repping with the ones. Not exactly mind games. Just being fair with the reps like at other positions.

eh, by all accounts they've been splitting reps in practice pretty evenly, and based on what we know from the open periods reported on, and from what pruitt has said, the competition is still relatively close.

and they've spent a lot of time talking about creating situations to develop toughness, mental and physical. so yeah, i could seen them using this as a way to see how JG reacts....pruitt has talked about body language more than once. being consistent, handling adversity, and how to create situations for the players to test that.

this could certainly be one. no one knows for sure. it's all speculation. but if you're looking for an explanation, that would be it.

 

[VolGee4]

you don't have to be huge. Fowler, Thomas, Simpson etc...these guys are twigs. it's all about shoulder to the knees and how much control can you have as you rotate thru the ball. but put a little muscle behind it like Tiger used to do or Koepka does now, and it's ridiculous.

i'm always impressed when you watch some of those guys finish a swing, to see where their shoulders and hands are behind their head.

i'd be in the hospital. it's also why Tiger has such a bad back and knees now. lot of torque required.

Yea, I understand the leverage, and I know most of these guys are going to hit it 300 yards. But the 350 is getting excessive. It has some to do with the course, but the last two weeks, Thomas has been bombing it at a ridiculous rate.

There are 70 players this year who are averaging at least 300 yards a drive. In 2015, there were 26. I understand the argument about better athletes and all, but technology is helping this.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think Tiger is a phenomenal golfer and a garbage human being so meh.

Kinda the way I feel. Respect his game but as a person, not so much. Tiger is his own worst enemy, he can be so mentally tough one minute and go off the rails the next.

 

[VolGee4]

McIlroy and Day are not small guys if you see them in person. Justin Thomas is one of the few guys out there that doesn't look like he works out at all. He really is small. I think club technology plays a part but one of the things Tiger did for the game is make people realize that hitting the weights can help in golf a lot. All of those guys are a lot bigger and better athletes than golf used to have and that definitely plays a part in the driving distance as well as the club technology.

To some extent, I agree about them being better athletes. It helps. But McIlroy is listed at 5'9" and 160. He is toned, but overall, he is not a big guy. Day is listed at 6'. Keopka and DJ are well built athletes.

 

[jakez4ut]

Yea, I understand the leverage, and I know most of these guys are going to hit it 300 yards. But the 350 is getting excessive. It has some to do with the course, but the last two weeks, Thomas has been bombing it at a ridiculous rate.

There are 70 players this year who are averaging at least 300 yards a drive. In 2015, there were 26. I understand the argument about better athletes and all, but technology is helping this.

oh, certainly it is. not sure what can be done about it though. i think it's pretty awesome to watch. no one wants to see a guy lay up.....lol.

that said, it is a bit ridiculous to see 600+ yard part 5's be taken apart like 120 yard par 3.....mostly because i'm waaaay jealous.

 

[Rishvol]

McIlroy and Day are not small guys if you see them in person. Justin Thomas is one of the few guys out there that doesn't look like he works out at all. He really is small. I think club technology plays a part but one of the things Tiger did for the game is make people realize that hitting the weights can help in golf a lot. All of those guys are a lot bigger and better athletes than golf used to have and that definitely plays a part in the driving distance as well as the club technology.

Uhhh Rickie and McIlroy are both 5'9" and like 150 lbs. The length of the driver, club head speed, and the club head allow them to hit the ball a mile

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I don't understand why so many posters on here are so defensive anytime someone suggests JG might not be the guy. Is it because of a sense of loyalty because we've been following the guy since he was a junior in high school? I swear some of you all act like he's at Dobbs level, and there's no way. JG was terrible last year just like the majority of his teammates. He could not nail one of the fundamental areas of QBing, which is getting rid of the ball before you hit the ground.

We should all welcome any reports that KC is getting a heavy look at QB1. It means there's strong competition, and it should test one of JG's seeming weaknesses (mental toughness), which we saw on display during the GT game last year. Pruitt comes from the Saban system, and what do the majority of Saban qbs have in common? Game Managers. If KC comes in here and leads a team like AJ McCarron, then I don't need a dude with a rocket arm that throws 50 yard bombs. I just want to win games, so I don't care who throws the ball as long as they are touchdowns.

It blows my mind that dudes in here are arguing with Hank's opinion when they have nowhere near the level of access he has. Your knowledge and access is what leads me to respect what you say, so sorry if your subscription to 24/7 and some repeat youtube views of Pruitt's press conferences aren't convincing.

KC isn't going to lead this team like AJ McCarron, he is not above average. AJ was a really good QB. My hope is that JG could be that guy, he has the talent. It looks like that maybe was a wasted hope..at least at this point. He had a big head start on KC, and still hasn't separated himself like it sounded he had according to the reports we had received so far...I am bummed about that. I'm not going to act like it isn't disappointing to me.

 

[Vfl2407]

19 days til kickoff and this site has become a golf site.
Can that stuff be taken to the lounge?

 

[bignewt]

KC isn't going to lead this team like AJ McCarron, he is not above average. AJ was a really good QB. My hope is that JG could be that guy, he has the talent. It looks like that maybe was a wasted hope..at least at this point. He had a big head start on KC, and still hasn't separated himself like it sounded he had according to the reports we had received so far...I am bummed about that. I'm not going to act like it isn't disappointing to me.

Good grief Ulysses McGill.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Rob Lewis likes our RB's. Thinks we're going to be able to run the ball with a stable of backs.

I like our RBs too, but I liked them last season and they couldn't run the ball. Obviously, our success in the running game is dependent on a productive OL, and defenses having to respect our passing game. Last year we had neither of those things. blocking

I am hoping a healthier OL, with the addition of Kennedy, and the return of hopefully an effective Chance Hall, coupled with man blocking rather than zone blocking, and throw in a FB, means that we will have the ability to control tempo with the ground game for a change. If we can win in 1st and 2nd downs, and dictate when we want to throw the ball, rather than constantly being in 3rd and long, that will set up the play action, and take a whole lot of pressure off whomever our starting QB i

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

there are some that have drawn lines in the qb debate, i think you'll find though that when those things start up it's usually same "several" that get involved.

most people know and understand the "competition" part KC brings to the table. he also brings depth.

i don't think anyone disputes the best player should play, or the one that gives us the best chance to win. whichever way you want to say it.

i also understand the notion that if you are going to root for someone, it makes sense to want JG to "be the guy". he's could be here 2-3 more years, whereas KC is here for 1. THAT IS NOT THE REASON YOU GIVE HIM THE JOB THOUGH. i want JG to be the guy because he's shown he IS the guy. if he IS THAT GUY, then the rest comes in to play as far as the future goes. If Chryst shows to be the better player for this season, then you go with him.

but that also means the future at QB is completely up in the air after this season.

Exactly.

 

[jakez4ut]

Exactly.

so why all the hand wringing over it then?

 

[WinginFlorida]

19 days til kickoff and this site has become a golf site.
Can that stuff be taken to the lounge?

You need to subtly ease the discussion from golf to football, something like this...

Is there any truth to the rumor that JG was out hitting wedges on the practice field this a.m.? Thanks in advance...I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Sleegro]

To some extent, I agree about them being better athletes. It helps. But McIlroy is listed at 5'9" and 160. He is toned, but overall, he is not a big guy. Day is listed at 6'. Keopka and DJ are well built athletes.

McIlroy is bigger than listed. He and Day are both very well built.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Do we practice today?

 

[jakez4ut]

I like our RBs too, but I liked them last season and they couldn't run the ball. Obviously, our success in the running game is dependent on a productive OL, and defenses having to respect our passing game. Last year we had neither of those things. blocking

I am hoping a healthier OL, with the addition of Kennedy, and the return of hopefully an effective Chance Hall, coupled with man blocking rather than zone blocking, and throw in a FB, means that we will have the ability to control tempo with the ground game for a change. If we can win in 1st and 2nd downs, and dictate when we want to throw the ball, rather than constantly being in 3rd and long, that will set up the play action, and take a whole lot of pressure off whomever our starting QB i

i think the change in blocking schemes on the O line will pay huge dividends. that and having the personnel we now have vs. what we had 6 months ago. i'm not ready to say we're set on O line. but i don't think it's a BIG a weakness as it was back then. and we legitimately could rotate 4-5 RB's to stay fresh there. and you have some bigger TE's than can help on the edges or as H Backs.

so, from a running game standpoint, i think we have some good pieces in place that should help us see some improvement there.

the biggest question is do we have anything in the passing game that will help us balance it out so we can take full advantage of it? if so, we could be better than we thought. if not, they'll just stack the box and make it real difficult. and i'd expect to see that early on regardless until we prove we can throw the ball with any sort of consistency.

 

[HankHill]

I don't really understand the vq staff thinking he could be playing mind games with JG to test him because he gave Chryst reps with ones. I mean you can't really have a fair competition unless you have both QBs repping with the ones. Not exactly mind games. Just being fair with the reps like at other positions.

Yea i don’t understand that either. That seems to me like they are trying to hedge their previous reporting in the JG was “pulling away” (which i heard people talk that they thought JG was ahead). But to me if either guy is pulling away then there is no point in wasting a valuable scrimmage in only giving him like 30% of the reps win the 1s.