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WinginFlorida said:
Golf is simply at a different level when Tiger's in the mix. Even his biggest haters have to acknowledge this.

And now, all of a sudden, Brooks Koepka has as many majors as Jordan Speith.
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BK is really, really good. and the scary part is he probably should have won that tournament by 5+ strokes, given some of the mistakes he made down the stretch. so he's got another level he can still get to.
 
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WebbCobb said:
Pretty sure the NFL does count a sack as an attempt. It does, however, subtract the lost yardage from the team (not individual) passing total.

http://www.nflgsis.com/gsis/documentation/stadiumguides/guide_for_statisticians.pdf
See pg. 17
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Nope. Sack yards are subtracted from passing yardage, but don’t count as a pass attempt.

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Charge a player with a pass attempt when he:
1. Throws a completed pass (except as noted in ‘C’ and ‘E’ below);
2. Throws an intercepted pass;
3. Throws an incomplete pass, including when:
A. The pass strikes the ground or goes out of bounds;
B. The pass is touched or is caught by an ineligible offensive player on, behind or beyond
the line of scrimmage, and the defense declines the 5-yard penalty;
C. The pass is the second forward pass from behind the line of scrimmage, and the defense
declines the 5-yard penalty; when this occurs, no completion or yardage is credited for
the original (completed) pass;
D. The pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, after having been carried or
passed backward from a spot beyond the line, and the defense declines the 5-yard
penalty;
E. The pass is illegally touched by an eligible offensive player returning from out of bounds
(and is not thereafter intercepted). If the illegal pass is caught, score as an incomplete pass.
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Rishvol said:
Not hitting the fairway doesn't mean crap anymore. If you would pay attention to any pro golfer other than tiger you would see that hitting it into the thick stuff has very little affect on the golfer. Most will still make it into the green in 2 and some will be in a better position than the person who hit the fairway.
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Ha, okay guy. I watch a lot of golf and not just Tiger. The rest of yer statement is laughable. Makes it seem like you don't actually know what you are talking about. This isn't golden tee. Show me another golfer in history who has missed the fairway on the front nine of the final round of a major, or any other PGA tournament, and shot a 64. There are very few examples of scramble golf that even come close to that. And it was the final round of a major. If you don't like Tiger that's fine. But don't act like that wasn't amazing. Hitting the fairway isn't important anymore? hahahahahahahahaha. That's worse than a Hank bball take.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Nope. Sack yards are subtracted from passing yardage, but don’t count as a pass attempt.

Pg. 14:
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Thanks. I forgot to put “not” in my first sentence (since edited). I was trying (poorly) to refute the assertion that the sack is an attempt, which has now come up here a few times in recent days.

Narratives are being pushed hard against JG. Not sure why some think it serves anyone for him to fail.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Playing time... that’ll learn him

Browns kept Callaway in game as punishment
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Rishvol said:
That's a stupid as college counting it as a rushing attempt by the QB. But I guess they have to put it down as something
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I believe the thinking behind the NFL rule is that a sack is generally more the offensive line's fault than the qb so they take away from the team instead of the qb.
 
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Sleegro said:
Ha, okay guy. I watch a lot of golf and not just Tiger. The rest of yer statement is laughable. Makes it seem like you don't actually know what you are talking about. This isn't golden tee. Show me another golfer in history who has missed the fairway on the front nine of the final round of a major, or any other PGA tournament, and shot a 64. There are very few examples of scramble golf that even come close to that. And it was the final round of a major. If you don't like Tiger that's fine. But don't act like that wasn't amazing. Hitting the fairway isn't important anymore? hahahahahahahahaha. That's worse than a Hank bball take.
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WebbCobb said:
Thanks. I forgot to put “not” in my first sentence (since edited). I was trying (poorly) to refute the assertion that the sack is an attempt, which has now come up here a few times in recent days.

Narratives are being pushed hard against JG. Not sure why some think it serves anyone for him to fail.
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Because of a screenshot in a game he didn't play in.
 
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I don't understand why so many posters on here are so defensive anytime someone suggests JG might not be the guy. Is it because of a sense of loyalty because we've been following the guy since he was a junior in high school? I swear some of you all act like he's at Dobbs level, and there's no way. JG was terrible last year just like the majority of his teammates. He could not nail one of the fundamental areas of QBing, which is getting rid of the ball before you hit the ground.

We should all welcome any reports that KC is getting a heavy look at QB1. It means there's strong competition, and it should test one of JG's seeming weaknesses (mental toughness), which we saw on display during the GT game last year. Pruitt comes from the Saban system, and what do the majority of Saban qbs have in common? Game Managers. If KC comes in here and leads a team like AJ McCarron, then I don't need a dude with a rocket arm that throws 50 yard bombs. I just want to win games, so I don't care who throws the ball as long as they are touchdowns.

It blows my mind that dudes in here are arguing with Hank's opinion when they have nowhere near the level of access he has. Your knowledge and access is what leads me to respect what you say, so sorry if your subscription to 24/7 and some repeat youtube views of Pruitt's press conferences aren't convincing.
 
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Sleegro said:
Ha, okay guy. I watch a lot of golf and not just Tiger. The rest of yer statement is laughable. Makes it seem like you don't actually know what you are talking about. This isn't golden tee. Show me another golfer in history who has missed the fairway on the front nine of the final round of a major, or any other PGA tournament, and shot a 64. There are very few examples of scramble golf that even come close to that. And it was the final round of a major. If you don't like Tiger that's fine. But don't act like that wasn't amazing. Hitting the fairway isn't important anymore? hahahahahahahahaha. That's worse than a Hank bball take.
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I never said Tiger's round want good. I said the rough had almost no negligible affect on pro golfers now. During the WGC you were seeing golfers hit bad tee shots left and right but it still didn't deter them from getting par. Heck look at Scott yesterday. Hit was as bad as Tiger off the tee but came in third because of putting. Not because of being in a bad position off the tee.
 
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Billy Antrim said:
Golf has always been "drive for show, putt for dough". Tiger was in contention yesterday because he was putting lights out, almost as good as he did in his prime. Can he do that consistently now that he's in his 40s? That is the real issue here IMO. HOF players like Tom Watson & now Phil Mickelson have stopped winning once their putting becomes inconsistent.

The young guns (Spieth, Thomas, Koepka, Dustin Johnson, Jason Day) all win when they putt lights out. But they come up short when they start missing putts (Thomas, D. Johnson yesterday). Spieth found his putting stroke again yesterday and would have been in contention except for a disastrous triple bogey on Saturday when his second shot hit a branch and went OB.
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It’s still all related though. If Tiger can find the fairway more often than not, his approach shots would be better with easier putts. They all play well when they putt well, but they also all bomb the ball and put themselves in good positions.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yeah I get that they'll have to throw more guys out there, but playing guys out of necessity and playing guys because they've earned a spot in the rotation aren't exactly the same. Just because we may see them use 6 guys a game doesn't mean they'll want the last two men in that rotation out there in vital situations. I don't think we have that kind of depth yet.
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Ready or not, they'll get the experience is my point.

Wouldn't surprise me if some underclassmen end up starting games at some point. Long season.

I do agree that of all the units, that is the earliest question mark for next season ATP.
 
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Rishvol said:
Not hitting the fairway doesn't mean crap anymore. If you would pay attention to any pro golfer other than tiger you would see that hitting it into the thick stuff has very little affect on the golfer. Most will still make it into the green in 2 and some will be in a better position than the person who hit the fairway.
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Not sure what you were watching yesterday. This is not true in the tournaments that count (aside from maybe the Masters). Tiger was so wide on his tee shots that he was finding trampled lies from the gallery. Otherwise, the rough was a penalty.
 
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hotcypress said:
I don't understand why so many posters on here are so defensive anytime someone suggests JG might not be the guy. Is it because of a sense of loyalty because we've been following the guy since he was a junior in high school? I swear some of you all act like he's at Dobbs level, and there's no way. JG was terrible last year just like the majority of his teammates. He could not nail one of the fundamental areas of QBing, which is getting rid of the ball before you hit the ground.

We should all welcome any reports that KC is getting a heavy look at QB1. It means there's strong competition, and it should test one of JG's seeming weaknesses (mental toughness), which we saw on display during the GT game last year. Pruitt comes from the Saban system, and what do the majority of Saban qbs have in common? Game Managers. If KC comes in here and leads a team like AJ McCarron, then I don't need a dude with a rocket arm that throws 50 yard bombs. I just want to win games, so I don't care who throws the ball as long as they are touchdowns.

It blows my mind that dudes in here are arguing with Hank's opinion when they have nowhere near the level of access he has. Your knowledge and access is what leads me to respect what you say, so sorry if your subscription to 24/7 and some repeat youtube views of Pruitt's press conferences aren't convincing.
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there are some that have drawn lines in the qb debate, i think you'll find though that when those things start up it's usually same "several" that get involved.

most people know and understand the "competition" part KC brings to the table. he also brings depth.

i don't think anyone disputes the best player should play, or the one that gives us the best chance to win. whichever way you want to say it.

i also understand the notion that if you are going to root for someone, it makes sense to want JG to "be the guy". he's could be here 2-3 more years, whereas KC is here for 1. THAT IS NOT THE REASON YOU GIVE HIM THE JOB THOUGH. i want JG to be the guy because he's shown he IS the guy. if he IS THAT GUY, then the rest comes in to play as far as the future goes. If Chryst shows to be the better player for this season, then you go with him.

but that also means the future at QB is completely up in the air after this season.
 
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Rishvol said:
I never said Tiger's round want good. I said the rough had almost no negligible affect on pro golfers now. During the WGC you were seeing golfers hit bad tee shots left and right but it still didn't deter them from getting par. Heck look at Scott yesterday. Hit was as bad as Tiger off the tee but came in third because of putting. Not because of being in a bad position off the tee.
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The regular tournament is set up for the rough not be that much of a penalty. The majors are the opposite.
 
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