TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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lawgator1 said:
The heart of the party is very much about social progress. Right now, however, that social ideal has been successfully portrayed by the Republicans as at odds with the economic progress of whites, particularly poorly educated, low-skill whites. Resentment towards minorities is very high, as a result. The base of Trump voters whines incessantly about welfare and their jobs being taken away, even though they would never fill those jobs, themselves.

As I've said many times, Trump is not the cause of this. He's a symptom.
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I believe a lot of the disagreements start with the failure of the social and economic progress that we see on national news 24/7 . I don’t know who falls into the “poorly educated and low skilled “ white people group I shouldn’t , but I’m assuming you mean only graduating high school and then working in factories , garages or in retail . I can say for sure when these people watch the news and see cities like San Francisco , Chicago , Detroit , they just shake their heads and are thankful not to live in those places . It has to be perplexing even to progressives to see people taking a dump on the streets surrounded by used needles and the things that the people running the city seem to be worried about instead are stupid things like banning straws and funding places with medical staff so you can go and shoot up in a safe place .
 
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lawgator1 said:
The heart of the party is very much about social progress. Right now, however, that social ideal has been successfully portrayed by the Republicans as at odds with the economic progress of whites, particularly poorly educated, low-skill whites. Resentment towards minorities is very high, as a result. The base of Trump voters whines incessantly about welfare and their jobs being taken away, even though they would never fill those jobs, themselves.

As I've said many times, Trump is not the cause of this. He's a symptom.
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If this is the case why is EVERY 1st world socialist (even democratic socialist) country run by whites? EVERY one of these countries upper income brackets are also dominated by whites, why is that?
 
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0nelilreb said:
I believe a lot of the disagreements start with the failure of the social and economic progress that we see on national news 24/7 . I don’t know who falls into the “poorly educated and low skilled “ white people group I shouldn’t , but I’m assuming you mean only graduating high school and then working in factories , garages or in retail . I can say for sure when these people watch the news and see cities like San Francisco , Chicago , Detroit , they just shake their heads and are thankful not to live in those places . It has to be perplexing even to progressives to see people taking a dump on the streets surrounded by used needles and the things that the people running the city seem to be worried about instead are stupid things like banning straws and funding places with medical staff so you can go and shoot up in a safe place .
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hog88 said:
If this is the case why is EVERY 1st world socialist (even democratic socialist) country run by whites? EVERY one of these countries upper income brackets are also dominated by whites, why is that?
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You see the choices as simply either/or. We have Republican control and preeminance and things run well and people are happy and advancing in life. Even minority communities do well. And you associate that with a GOP leadership that is close to all white. Whereas, if Democrats are in control, then people are pooping in the street, crime is rampant, and economies are crushed. Everyone does poorly. And you associate that with a Dem leadership that is mixed, racially. Its a hop, skip, and a jump to conclude that GOP a/k/a white control is better.

What's missing, however, is that its not race that defines the outcome. Its real leadership that does. Its smart planning. Its a whole lot of complicated, nuanced issues we face, day in and day out. And they vary by community. Don't you think that the leadership in minority communities wants the very same things you do? The very same things the leaders in the Republican party want for their members?

Of course they do. But as long as people think its one or the other, and cannot be a combination of both, we are going to get nowhere.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You see the choices as simply either/or. We have Republican control and preeminance and things run well and people are happy and advancing in life. Even minority communities do well. And you associate that with a GOP leadership that is close to all white. Whereas, if Democrats are in control, then people are pooping in the street, crime is rampant, and economies are crushed. Everyone does poorly. And you associate that with a Dem leadership that is mixed, racially. Its a hop, skip, and a jump to conclude that GOP a/k/a white control is better.

What's missing, however, is that its not race that defines the outcome. Its real leadership that does. Its smart planning. Its a whole lot of complicated, nuanced issues we face, day in and day out. And they vary by community. Don't you think that the leadership in minority communities wants the very same things you do? The very same things the leaders in the Republican party want for their members?

Of course they do. But as long as people think its one or the other, and cannot be a combination of both, we are going to get nowhere.
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It’s not about what they want, it’s how they want the “system” to go about giving it to them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You see the choices as simply either/or. We have Republican control and preeminance and things run well and people are happy and advancing in life. Even minority communities do well. And you associate that with a GOP leadership that is close to all white. Whereas, if Democrats are in control, then people are pooping in the street, crime is rampant, and economies are crushed. Everyone does poorly. And you associate that with a Dem leadership that is mixed, racially. Its a hop, skip, and a jump to conclude that GOP a/k/a white control is better.

What's missing, however, is that its not race that defines the outcome. Its real leadership that does. Its smart planning. Its a whole lot of complicated, nuanced issues we face, day in and day out. And they vary by community. Don't you think that the leadership in minority communities wants the very same things you do? The very same things the leaders in the Republican party want for their members?

Of course they do. But as long as people think its one or the other, and cannot be a combination of both, we are going to get nowhere.
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It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, both Dems and Repubs want one thing and that is power. They just go about it in different ways. Dems go about it by keeping their constituents beholden and dependent on them, Repubs go about it by letting people fend for themselves for the most part.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You see the choices as simply either/or. We have Republican control and preeminance and things run well and people are happy and advancing in life. Even minority communities do well. And you associate that with a GOP leadership that is close to all white. Whereas, if Democrats are in control, then people are pooping in the street, crime is rampant, and economies are crushed. Everyone does poorly. And you associate that with a Dem leadership that is mixed, racially. Its a hop, skip, and a jump to conclude that GOP a/k/a white control is better.

What's missing, however, is that its not race that defines the outcome. Its real leadership that does. Its smart planning. Its a whole lot of complicated, nuanced issues we face, day in and day out. And they vary by community. Don't you think that the leadership in minority communities wants the very same things you do? The very same things the leaders in the Republican party want for their members?

Of course they do. But as long as people think its one or the other, and cannot be a combination of both, we are going to get nowhere.
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I disagree completely , I don’t see color as having anything to do with it at all , I think it’s a crutch that’s used way to often . I used San Fran . because I worked there and saw it first hand . California is controlled by a super majority of progressive liberals it’s not their race , religion or origin that makes it the way it is , it’s the ideology . progression isn’t not allowing people to wallow in filth that regression and it because of the lack of civil law , rules , and or applying them . A prime example of two cities , very wealthy cities differing is San Fran & Las Vegas . Poop on the street in front of a coffee house in SF people just ignore it , try that in the new part of Vegas and you’ll end up beat and in jail . I don’t have a clue who runs Vegas party wise I just know the differences between the two cities .
 
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Squints said:
It’s not about what they want, it’s how they want the “system” to go about giving it to them.
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The reality is that the system MUST adjust to the fact that racial minorities and women -- two groups traditionally with less power -- are quickly moving to a position where the will have the power. It is inevitable.

hog88 said:
It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, both Dems and Repubs want one thing and that is power. They just go about it in different ways. Dems go about it by keeping their constituents beholden and dependent on them, Repubs go about it by letting people fend for themselves for the most part.
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I just think that is too absolute a point of view. And whi;e I do htink there is merit to the idea that social spending sometimes results in dependency, I do not for a second believe that the Republicans are as hands off as you seem to think.

0nelilreb said:
I disagree completely , I don’t see color as having anything to do with it at all , I think it’s a crutch that’s used way to often . I used San Fran . because I worked there and saw it first hand . California is controlled by a super majority of progressive liberals it’s not their race , religion or origin that makes it the way it is , it’s the ideology . progression isn’t not allowing people to wallow in filth that regression and it because of the lack of civil law , rules , and or applying them . A prime example of two cities , very wealthy cities differing is San Fran & Las Vegas . Poop on the street in front of a coffee house in SF people just ignore it , try that in the new part of Vegas and you’ll end up beat and in jail . I don’t have a clue who runs Vegas party wise I just know the differences between the two cities .
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Las Vegas as a city is run by Dems.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reality is that the system MUST adjust to the fact that racial minorities and women -- two groups traditionally with less power -- are quickly moving to a position where the will have the power. It is inevitable.



I just think that is too absolute a point of view. And whi;e I do htink there is merit to the idea that social spending sometimes results in dependency, I do not for a second believe that the Republicans are as hands off as you seem to think.



Las Vegas as a city is run by Dems.
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I agree that the Rs are not as hands off as they should be.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reality is that the system MUST adjust to the fact that racial minorities and women -- two groups traditionally with less power -- are quickly moving to a position where the will have the power. It is inevitable.
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What are you even talking about? They are called minorities for a reason. Secondly, tens of millions of women are as “red” as the blood being pumped through their veins.

The system doesn’t HAVE to do anything, if we don’t allow it to. Being a lazy ass bum is NOT wielding power. This is not Venezuela, so don’t go full DA and fall off the rails just yet. The extent of their power begins and ends at the ballot box, and it won’t be changing anytime soon.

I’m not in the least bit threatened by socialist minorities.
 
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Septic said:
Maybe, I don't know what his views were specifically but I imagine he had trouble sleeping at night for the four decades his actions were perfectly contradictory to his "blatantly racist views".

We need more "blatant racists" like that i think.
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Ole Thurgood would disagree with that.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Please explain why they aren't really qualitatively comparable.
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Well, one said he was in the Klan and never did anything with it. The other one sicked dogs, tear gassed and had State Troopers beat people marching in Selma.

If'n we're comparing the two qualitatively, I'd rather have not been a black dude marching across the Edmund Pettus bridge.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As far as redemption for their transgressions, that's not up to me - but both seemed to have tried to right their wrongs. How much it takes is a matter of personal opinion.
 
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Mick said:
The Knights that say NI wanted shrubbery.
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And upon delivery of the shrubbery the Knights who now say “icky icky icky p-tang zoo boing! rawr” demanded that they cut down the largest tree in the forest with.... A HERRING!

I wave my private parts at your aunties.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And upon delivery of the shrubbery the Knights who now say “icky icky icky p-tang zoo boing! rawr” demanded that they cut down the largest tree in the forest with.... A HERRING!

I wave my private parts at your aunties.
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You put too much effort into your first post and the comedic value was lost. That's cool though.
 
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Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton, who has been doggedly pursuing accountability for the FBI, believe Strzok's firing paints a broader picture of the ongoing Mueller probe.

"The firing of Peter Strzok is another body blow to the credibility of the Mueller special counsel operation. Strzok, who hated President Trump, compromised both the Clinton and Trump investigations that saw Hillary Clinton protected and Donald Trump illicitly targeted," Fitton released in a statement. "Strzok’s anti-Trump texts show the Russia investigation he helped invent with Clinton campaign operatives is irredeemably compromised. As Mueller’s operation is founded on Strzok’s corrupt activities, it must be shut down."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortn...e-allegations-n2509321?utm_campaign=inarticle
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton, who has been doggedly pursuing accountability for the FBI, believe Strzok's firing paints a broader picture of the ongoing Mueller probe.

"The firing of Peter Strzok is another body blow to the credibility of the Mueller special counsel operation. Strzok, who hated President Trump, compromised both the Clinton and Trump investigations that saw Hillary Clinton protected and Donald Trump illicitly targeted," Fitton released in a statement. "Strzok’s anti-Trump texts show the Russia investigation he helped invent with Clinton campaign operatives is irredeemably compromised. As Mueller’s operation is founded on Strzok’s corrupt activities, it must be shut down."
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Septic said:
Well, one said he was in the Klan and never did anything with it. The other one sicked dogs, tear gassed and had State Troopers beat people marching in Selma.

If'n we're comparing the two qualitatively, I'd rather have not been a black dude marching across the Edmund Pettus bridge.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As far as redemption for their transgressions, that's not up to me - but both seemed to have tried to right their wrongs. How much it takes is a matter of personal opinion.
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How do you know what Byrd did or did not do in the Klan? They wore hoods and were kind of secretive then, you know?
 
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