Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[HankHill]

Not a factor right now

Special teams player.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Really liking the fact that I can look at my posts all the way back to like a year and a half ago. Kind of funny to see how bad I got flamed for saying things like Les Miles, Donkey, and Mark Richt were all better coaches than Butch Jones. I'm telling you people wanted me horse whipped for holding that opinion. Same for me thinking that Colton Jumper sucked. I also got ridiculed for saying I thought Jones should be fired if he didn't win 8 games and that the wheels were gonna fall off if we lose to Florida lol. Catbone liked almost every post I made too lol. Here's to you Catbone, you've always seemed to be a realist to me.

 

[engineerVOL]

Oooh oooh is this the thread where we applaud ourselves for having medium-hot takes.

 

[delfonic]

Really liking the fact that I can look at my posts all the way back to like a year and a half ago. Kind of funny to see how bad I got flamed for saying things like Les Miles, Donkey, and Mark Richt were all better coaches than Butch Jones. I'm telling you people wanted me horse whipped for holding that opinion. Same for me thinking that Colton Jumper sucked. I also got ridiculed for saying I thought Jones should be fired if he didn't win 8 games and that the wheels were gonna fall off if we lose to Florida lol. Catbone liked almost every post I made too lol. Here's to you Catbone, you've always seemed to be a realist to me.

I hope you don't dislocate a vertebrae "aggrandizing" yourself.

Congrats on throwing a bunch of feces at a wall and having some of it stick. Perhaps you should eat more fiber.

 

[The Dog]

Really liking the fact that I can look at my posts all the way back to like a year and a half ago. Kind of funny to see how bad I got flamed for saying things like Les Miles, Donkey, and Mark Richt were all better coaches than Butch Jones. I'm telling you people wanted me horse whipped for holding that opinion. Same for me thinking that Colton Jumper sucked. I also got ridiculed for saying I thought Jones should be fired if he didn't win 8 games and that the wheels were gonna fall off if we lose to Florida lol. Catbone liked almost every post I made too lol. Here's to you Catbone, you've always seemed to be a realist to me.

Please go toot your own horn in the shower like I do. Wait, u probably don't won't to go into your own bathroom because u didn't flush that log down, as usual

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I also got pounded for saying that I thought Jones' staff had done a poor job of developing guys, that he had pissed away the east for two years in a row, and that in year five we shouldn't be saying things like "this is a rebuilding year" lol. Just funny to go back and see how so many were on that Butch train something fierce.

 

[delfonic]

Wow, what a sociopath.

 

[buckfama]

I also got pounded for saying that I thought Jones' staff had done a poor job of developing guys, that he had pissed away the east for two years in a row, and that in year five we shouldn't be saying things like "this is a rebuilding year" lol. Just funny to go back and see how so many were on that Butch train something fierce.

How's Urban doing? He still singing in the church choir?

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I hope you don't dislocate a vertebrae "aggrandizing" yourself.

Congrats on throwing a bunch of feces at a wall and having some of it stick. Perhaps you should eat more fiber.

About the only thing that didn't stick was me thinking we'd win 8 games last year. And people were saying I was terribly negative lol. Seemed like most were hollering 9, 10 and 11 wins. We were gonna dogwalk Florida, Kirby sucked, etc.

 

[theutvolunteers]

People support and hope the best for their team. Shouldn’t be surprising at all.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Really liking the fact that I can look at my posts all the way back to like a year and a half ago. Kind of funny to see how bad I got flamed for saying things like Les Miles, Donkey, and Mark Richt were all better coaches than Butch Jones. I'm telling you people wanted me horse whipped for holding that opinion. Same for me thinking that Colton Jumper sucked. I also got ridiculed for saying I thought Jones should be fired if he didn't win 8 games and that the wheels were gonna fall off if we lose to Florida lol. Catbone liked almost every post I made too lol. Here's to you Catbone, you've always seemed to be a realist to me.

Please... go on telling us how awesome you are. We wait with bated breath.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

D4H mom let him out of the basement and gave him his Ipad back.

Yeah...and he really hit the ground ru...well he did hit the ground, but it was face first...

 

[engineerVOL]

So who’s got the most unread notifications at the top of their page? I plan on letting those bad boys rack up like arcade tickets.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Please... go on telling us how awesome you are. We wait with bated breath.
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It ain't that, I just think it's pretty crazy how a man literally could not say anything even remotely negative about Butch Jones without getting flamed. People were brainwashed to the point of thinking that he was somehow a better coach than every other coach in the league outside of Saban, when the guy had accomplished next to nothing other than a couple nice wins and three "bowl championships", as he liked to put it.

 

[85SugarVol]

It ain't that, I just think it's pretty crazy how a man literally could not say anything even remotely negative about Butch Jones without getting flamed. People were brainwashed to the point of thinking that he was somehow a better coach than every other coach in the league outside of Saban, when the guy had accomplished next to nothing other than a couple nice wins and three "bowl championships", as he liked to put it.

No one cares.

 

[zhangliao04]

Really liking the fact that I can look at my posts all the way back to like a year and a half ago. Kind of funny to see how bad I got flamed for saying things like Les Miles, Donkey, and Mark Richt were all better coaches than Butch Jones. I'm telling you people wanted me horse whipped for holding that opinion. Same for me thinking that Colton Jumper sucked. I also got ridiculed for saying I thought Jones should be fired if he didn't win 8 games and that the wheels were gonna fall off if we lose to Florida lol. Catbone liked almost every post I made too lol. Here's to you Catbone, you've always seemed to be a realist to me.

 

[SergeantVol]

It ain't that, I just think it's pretty crazy how a man literally could not say anything even remotely negative about Butch Jones without getting flamed. People were brainwashed to the point of thinking that he was somehow a better coach than every other coach in the league outside of Saban, when the guy had accomplished next to nothing other than a couple nice wins and three "bowl championships", as he liked to put it.

TL;DR

 

[nicksjuzunk]

It ain't that, I just think it's pretty crazy how a man literally could not say anything even remotely negative about Butch Jones without getting flamed. People were brainwashed to the point of thinking that he was somehow a better coach than every other coach in the league outside of Saban, when the guy had accomplished next to nothing other than a couple nice wins and three "bowl championships", as he liked to put it.

Fans will generally defend their coach, even in the face of some big issues.(OSU)

The fact is, Butch had highly rated recruiting classes and was trending up very well till the bottom completely fell out. He deserved a little benefit of the doubt till UGA last year.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Fans will generally defend their coach, even in the face of some big issues.(OSU)

The fact is, Butch had highly rated recruiting classes and was trending up very well till the bottom completely fell out. He deserved a little benefit of the doubt till UGA last year.

Butch and our program was pretty much trending down from the moment we lost the USCe game in 2016.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Butch and our program was pretty much trending down from the moment we lost the USCe game in 2016.

No doubt. But reasonable doubt was still there. Injuries were crazy... especially on defense, where we were incredibly thin and we didn’t fully understand the role the S&C had to play there. The offense was setting records to keep up, but that obviously was looking good. We came within a hair of winning the East, and we were clouded by the top 10 promise of the early season victories over VT, Florida and UGA.

Of course in hindsight you see it, but it could have been an unfortunate bump in the road had there not been deep foundation flaws

 

[T Dog]

Haha

 

[ChattaTNVol]

No doubt. But reasonable doubt was still there. Injuries were crazy... especially on defense, where we were incredibly thin and we didn’t fully understand the role the S&C had to play there. The offense was setting records to keep up, but that obviously was looking good. We came within a hair of winning the East, and we were clouded by the top 10 promise of the early season victories over VT, Florida and UGA.

Of course in hindsight you see it, but it could have been an unfortunate bump in the road had there not been deep foundation flaws

When I do the summary for the Erik Ainge show I'm really looking for his thinking about our players, our staff, our team, and our opponents. I think he like a few other posters here get to see more of practices than what the local media sees. I think the local media is limited in their analysis because most of what is provided to them is fluff and fodder in the sense that they mostly only see drills. Butch seemed to entertain them a lot by letting them watch us stretch.

Anyway, so when I create the summary of Erik's 3 hour show which is actually little more than 90 minutes of actual content, if he stays focussed on Tennessee football for the entire show I have a 7 page word document for the summary. I try to edit it down as much as possible before I post it so there are some things he talks about that I think are insightful but maybe not really related to the here and now.

Anyway, this was an exerpt that got edited our of the Friday summary.

Caller asks if the crew thinks this staff will be able to do a better job than Jones’ staffs at coaching up our players.

Ainge says he thinks the major challenge when you have staff turnover is scheme changes, changes in fundamental philosophy. When Butch first got here from Cincy he was trying to be the (Oregon) Ducks but they weren’t the Ducks. He said Butch quickly realized that wasn’t a winning formula in the SEC, having light linemen that can play sideline to sideline is great but if the DLinemen are putting them on their backs then none of your plays are going to work. So he had to learn about the line of scrimmage in the SEC plus discover that it was a much smarter brand of football than what he had been used to. Gimmicks don’t work well in the SEC so Butch hired Debord for his old school offensive mind. With Debord some players did get developed. Malone went from wanting to return to Nashville every 6 months to actually getting developed, Dobbs as well. On the other hand guys who weren’t immediately contributing got left by the wayside. He says Butch got into a bind with the recruiting pitch he used to get guys here and so some of the better talent sort of came in with the idea that they were doing him a favor. Almost like they were here to help Tennessee not here to be developed as young men and as football players.

My experience in life has suggested to me that you might want to be just a little suspicious of someone who spends significant time and effort trying to convince you with words that he or she knows more about what they are doing than you or anyone else. You almost always will come out ahead if you follow the idea that actions speak loudest. Butch was often perceived as defensive by many because he had gotten himself in over his head and there was no way out. I'm in the camp that believes in the end he wanted out more than we wanted him gone and on the whole we wanted him gone bad.

For me the football team = The Coaches + The Players + The Fans.

The Fans on average provide a home field advantage at Neyland of about 3.5-4 points. Sometimes it's more; sometimes it's less. A split fanbase is bad for the team and a split locker room is worse. A split staff is unimaginably bad. (I also think sunshine pumpers are better than negavols because the environment around the program impacts image and I think, to some extent, recruiting),

Butch had a hard time keeping everyone together, pulling in the same direction as Fulmer would say, and a lot of it had to do with the way he presented himself to everyone, his staff, his players, and the fans.

One of the things that CJP said at SEC media days really stood out to me.

“I am thankful I have an opportunity, if I have questions, because I'll tell you something, whatever you do, I talk about football being a developmental game, it's the same way for coaches. I am sure ten years from now, I'll be a better head coach than I will be this fall.”

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Does your dad sell both?

@butchna, you are a great and respected poster here, but may I ask a small favor...would you be careful how you use poster’s parents on here when you are making your jabs for fun? I know there are a few poster’s parents, who are fighting illnesses and not doing well. Many know you are joking, but it may hit someone in a bad way that isn’t expecting it. Thanks and carry on, moran!

 

[butchna]

@butchna, you are a great and respected poster here, but may I ask a small favor...would you be careful how you use poster’s parents on here when you are making your jabs for fun? I know there are a few poster’s parents, who are fighting illnesses and not doing well. Many know you are joking, but it may hit someone in a bad way that isn’t expecting it. Thanks and carry on, moran!

Both my parents died of cancer...real painful stuff...so I’m already careful. I stick to generic parent references. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Power T-Rev]

Chief be like