We are an entitled, petty, barbaric country: Handicapped parking shooting

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Septic said:
Shooting doesn't happen if Barney Fife doesn't start flapping his gums. He initiated the confrontation.
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Where is the line between someone "protesting" the unlawful use of an area designated for those less fortunate and someone being a Barney Fife?

Honest question that hit me earlier. People protest other people doing stuff, quite literally, every single day. At what point does this become justifiably actionable?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
And if the lady hadn't parked illegally in a handicap spot then he wouldn't have had a reason to confront the lady. He had as much a right to give her ish as she had to park there.
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A. It's not his job, nor his responsibility to initiate confrontation. His perception of the legality and conscious decision to willfully initiate contact was the proximate cause of the shooting.

Her being parked illegally is irrelevant.
 
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hndog609 said:
Where is the line between someone "protesting" the unlawful use of an area designated for those less fortunate and someone being a Barney Fife?

Honest question that hit me earlier. People protest other people doing stuff, quite literally, every single day. At what point does this become justifiably actionable?
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When one fears for his life and believes there is no other reasonable recourse.
 
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Septic said:
A. It's not his job, nor his responsibility to initiate confrontation. His perception of the legality and conscious decision to willfully initiate contact was the proximate cause of the shooting.

Her being parked illegally is irrelevant.
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you're arbitrarily picking a nonviolent moment to blame. it's as relevant as a verbal confrontation.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
ITT, I have just stated my opinion as a lay person looking at the film. As an attorney, this case is a toss up in my mind. If the vocalizations are also a toss up then I think the prosecutor should probably bring charges. Someone's life was lost under debatable circumstances, it's probably best to let a jury decide
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I don't see how the DA would overcome the shooter invoking self defense under SYG when this situation appears to check all the boxes required by SYG. Can you offer any additional input?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Did he have the reason to continue the conversation for an extended period of time?
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The confrontation wasn't all that long. It depends on what was said. Did he immediately go after her with racial slurs and harsh language? Or was he polite and say something like "You know, there are people who really need that spot, and there are other spots closer to the door."?

Look, I've went on record here saying that my perception is he **** the guy out retaliation, not for self defense but I'm also believe that they were just as culpable for escalating it to physical violence. I also am open minded enough to realize I've never been in that situation and not sure how'd I react given the circumstances that happened over a three second period.

I've had to bite my tongue on occasion seeing some 29 yo park in a handicap spot with a sticker hanging from the mirror and jogging into the store obviously not needing to park in the spot. If I did say something it would be more along the lines of "If youbwant, I'll grab you a wheel chair and roll you in there if you need me to."
 
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Septic said:
A. It's not his job, nor his responsibility to initiate confrontation. His perception of the legality and conscious decision to willfully initiate contact was the proximate cause of the shooting.

Her being parked illegally is irrelevant.
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It's not his job. The guy is a jerk but it wasn't physical until the dude made it physical. It's not irrelevant. It's completely relevant as that's what started the whole thing.
 
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Septic said:
When one fears for his life and believes there is no other reasonable recourse.
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So protesting at someone illegally encroaching on a protected area set aside handicapped people isn't really a Barney Fife move but a perfectly legal verbal expression of disapproval of that action?
 
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DynaLo said:
I don't see how the DA would overcome the shooter invoking self defense under SYG when this situation appears to check all the boxes required by SYG. Can you offer any additional input?
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Stand your ground does not apply here. You can't shoot somebody just because they pushed you. As the attorney has argued, you cannot provoke a fight and then claim SYG.

Police could arrest Drejka is they wanted. "Stand your ground" (meaning you have no "duty to retreat" if someone attacks you in a public space) has nothing to do with whether shooting someone who knocked you down is reasonable self-defense.

Contrary to the police chief's misleading claims, the standard for self-defense is NOT a "subjective belief by the person that they are in harm's way." He's confused, because that's the bogus standard that police are held to. Rather, it's a *reasonable* belief that deadly force is "necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm." - skeptical libertarian
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The deceased was backing off for multiple seconds before the gun was fired. There is no way they can convincingly argue that death/great bodily harm was imminent.

‘Stand Your Ground’ Did Not Kill Markeis McGlockton - Reason.com
 
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Septic said:
Nah. The perception of illegal parking doesn't kill people, people kill people. It went sideways as soon as Fife made the decision to confront.
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Words don’t kill people. Words don’t hurt people.

Well, they hurt liberals. But they don’t hurt people.

The violent shove is when it went downhill.
 
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hndog609 said:
So protesting at someone illegally encroaching on a protected area set aside handicapped people isn't really a Barney Fife move but a perfectly legal verbal expression of disapproval of that action?
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I'm not suggesting that Fife actions weren't legal, only that he initiated the confrontation.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Stand your ground does not apply here. You can't shoot somebody just because they pushed you. As the attorney has argued, you cannot provoke a fight and then claim SYG.



The deceased was backing off for multiple seconds before the gun was fired. There is no way they can convincingly argue that death/great bodily harm was imminent.

‘Stand Your Ground’ Did Not Kill Markeis McGlockton - Reason.com
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For the record; and if I saw the video and timer in regular motion...

From the time he and guy behind him saw gun, and changed paths, it was almost 2 seconds before we saw an ‘I’m shot’ reaction.
 
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I’d wager this wouldn’t even be a thread if both of the folks involved were black....
 
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Septic said:
I'm not suggesting that Fife actions weren't legal, only that he initiated the confrontation.
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And I and others are pointing out that a little umbrage directed at someone unlawfully taking up a parking spot reserved for others is a very, very weak justification for the reaction in the video. In fact, it constituted an unlawful assault. If McGlockton was still alive he likely would have faced charges.
 
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Septic said:
I'm not suggesting that Fife actions weren't legal, only that he initiated the confrontation.
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So hes not doing anything illegal.

first two illegal moments in this situation:
1. illegally parked vehicle - deceased
2. assault - deceased

resulted in a debatable crime of manslaughter - shooter 🧐
 
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k-town_king said:
A old punk wannabe cop threatens woman then gets scared and shoots man defending woman. The same thug who previously threatened to shoot someone in a prior confrontation in the same parking lot.

Clear case of murder. His life was not being threatend. The woman was just as threatened. If he was truly scared for his life then he is a wimp that shouldn't even have a gun.
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And how do you know he threatened the woman?

And in the case of the woman, if she were threatened, why did she get out of the car? She was relatively safe in the car. She got out where she was more vulnerable. Doesn't sound like she felt threatened to me.
 
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