We are an entitled, petty, barbaric country: Handicapped parking shooting

[Orange_Crush]

The parking situation set everything in motion. If this piece of trash would have minded his own damn business like a normal person, he wouldn't have blood on his hands.

Is your immediate reaction to a fight to murder someone? The victim should not have thrown dude on the ground, but I think putting a bullet in his chest is an extreme overreaction.

Also, if someone was threatening/harassing your SO, would you not intervene in some way? Especially with your kids around? Or stand there and let this POS intimidate and eventually attack your SO and kids?

I hope the guy gets arrested and tried for murder. He won't though. And he'll kill somebody else eventually.

I would not blind side them. It's a REALLY good way to get shot--especially by old men or women of nearly any age that are probably too small, weak and fragile to fight off someone who just blind sided them.

I would get between the aggressor and the loved one and try to diffuse while staying on guard and creating distance.

No one knows that the old man was threatening her. There's no indication that a gun was being brandished. That would change things. But with the facts we have, the arguing isn't illegal and the now-dead man was the aggressor that led to his own demise.


Sad.

 

[T-TownVol]

It's a good law, that reinforces constitutional protections.

Question is simple in theory: Can you prove the one shot was fired not out of fear, but out of anger?

Visual evidence shows that the "fear" is most-likely negated by the retreat.....

 

[Orange_Crush]

Lol. The knee jerk reactions are funny tonight.

It sounds like a lot of people in here need to petition our representatives to make public arguments against the law.

 

[Squints]

You're wrong on a lot of levels here.

Sarcastically, yes.

The overall, general theme of what I was getting at, no.

We can debate what the “law” is and what the courts will do, but it’d be an exercise in futility. To be honest, I don’t care what charges are bestowed upon the shooter, JMO that
the courts have a steep hill to trek if they want to convict him of murder.

 

[1972 Grad]

He should have just done that from the get go. If he is a wannabe meter maid, then he should have pulled out his Obama phone and called Five O.

Interesting that you say there is no longer a threat.

Edit: I just went back to watch the video, and one thing I find amazing is that the victim's girlfriend is out in front of the press talking all about this. I don't know about you guys, but I would be out of my mind with grief were I in her situation. If some clown shot my wife like that I wouldn't be able to put together a coherent sentence for months.

Like you can now? Just kidding.

 

[Grand Vol]

Sarcastically, yes.

The overall, general theme of what I was getting at, no.

We can debate what the “law” is and what the courts will do, but it’d be an exercise in futility. To be honest, I don’t care what charges are bestowed upon the shooter, JMO that the courts have a steep hill to trek if they want to convict him of murder.

Murder/manslaughter is legal semantics. I'd tend to think most on here understood that, but it appears my legal verbiage should have been more clear.

I'm not a lawyer (thank God)

 

[Orange_Crush]

Wouldn't have happened to me. I wouldn't have opened my mouth to someone parking in a handicap space. I have seen it many times, and kept my mouth shut. I also wouldn't blindside somebody right off the bat. 2 dumbasses with short fuses, and one of them is dead. Too bad.

I agree with all of this. If the conversation is about common decency and personal integrity, it's a good point. If it's about legality, I can't see, at this point, charging the man under stand your ground. Arguments aren't illegal.

 

[McDad]

Arguments aren't illegal.

...yet.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein

The masters. Heinlein and Asimov. Well done, heinlein was a wise man.

 

[Septic]

...Roust?

 

[Squints]

Murder/manslaughter is legal semantics. I'd tend to think most on here understood that, but it appears my legal verbiage should have been more clear.

I'm not a lawyer (thank God)

Fair enough.

I’m not an attorney, either, but with as much as LG bills clients for time spent on VN, it’s looking more and more lucrative by the minute.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Fair enough.

I’m not an attorney, either, but with as much as LG bills clients for time spent on VN, it’s looking more and more lucrative by the minute.

On a serious note...lawyers are dummies. Ever had to get counseling? They bill 200 dollars and hour and up, just like lawyers, and most in my area are completely booked up and not taking new clients. Do the math. 40 hours a week, 200 dollars and hour...8 grand a week. 400,000 dollars a year with 2 weeks vacation...and they never had to pass the bar...and cant lose a case...

 

[hndog609]

Sarcastically, yes.

The overall, general theme of what I was getting at, no.

We can debate what the “law” is and what the courts will do, but it’d be an exercise in futility. To be honest, I don’t care what charges are bestowed upon the shooter, JMO that
the courts have a steep hill to trek if they want to convict him of murder.

I'm as staunch a supporter of armed self-defense as you're likely to find but after watching that guy back off and even start to turn away before being shot I'm not only for Drekja being charged but flat out being made an example of for other permit holders to "Never do this.".

 

[T-TownVol]

The whole video.

Asesinato legal: No será arrestado tras matar de un tiro a un hombre que le empujó - YouTube

Something to consider......there was another man also coming at the man that was already on the ground......the shooter has every right to think he was about to be beaten by two men when he pulled the gun...........still does not prove need to actually shoot......

 

[Vol0725]

He's dead over opening up a can of whoopass on someone discussing the finer points of parking in a handicap spot.

Wittingly parking in a handicap spot is classless, if no one is disabled. Saying something about it is justified. The man approached the car, and stood outside the handicap area. We don't know what was said by either of the 2. Maybe he called her names and threatened her, or vice versa.

Before and after the victim shoved him to the asphalt, wonder if he politely said sweet-nothing's to the shooter?

Wonder if the woman who got out of the car was going to give the man a kiss and hug?

My point, did he take 1 shot to protect himself out of fear, or anger?

 

[InVOLuntary]

There's a nuance here that is worth addressing. Introducing a weapon (any weapon, knife/baseball bat/whatever) can be passive and not used.

Take this case's scenario. A person is surprised and knocked down by someone. If you are in a disadvantageous position like that, particularly when one could reasonably claim a disparity of force (a clearly superior physical aggressor/multiple aggressor) then bringing a force multiplier (weapon) into play will almost always be considered justified. That does not mean it's use will necessarily be justified. If one pulls a firearm and everybody stops or starts backing away then you should be looking for de-escalation/egress.

When this guy pulled his gun and clearly stopped any further aggression in his direction it was a fully justified use of a firearm in self-defense. When he fired at a guy that had backed up and was literally starting to turn away any claims of legitimate defense pretty much went out the window.

Excellent summation.

 

[1972 Grad]

Wittingly parking in a handicap spot is classless, if no one is disabled. Saying something about it is justified. The man approached the car, and stood outside the handicap area. We don't know what was said by either of the 2. Maybe he called her names and threatened her, or vice versa.

Before and after the victim shoved him to the asphalt, wonder if he politely said sweet-nothing's to the shooter?

Wonder if the woman who got out of the car was going to give the man a kiss and hug?

The most interesting aspect of this whole thread is that I found out that 47 is an old man.

 

[Septic]

Wittingly parking in a handicap spot is classless, if no one is disabled. Saying something about it is justified. The man approached the car, and stood outside the handicap area. We don't know what was said by either of the 2. Maybe he called her names and threatened her, or vice versa.

Before and after the victim shoved him to the asphalt, wonder if he politely said sweet-nothing's to the shooter?

Wonder if the woman who got out of the car was going to give the man a kiss and hug?

My point, did he take 1 shot to protect himself out of fear, or anger?

Why are you even still here?

 

[Vol0725]

The most interesting aspect of this whole thread is that I found out that 47 is an old man.

Is that considered an angry old white man?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The most depressing aspect of this whole thread is that I found out that 47 is an old man.

fify

 

[Vol0725]

Why are you even still here?

That’s pretty damn good. Gave it a Like. Trump could learn from you. Looking for presidential twitter advisory position?

 

[Squints]

On a serious note...lawyers are dummies. Ever had to get counseling? They bill 200 dollars and hour and up, just like lawyers, and most in my area are completely booked up and not taking new clients. Do the math. 40 hours a week, 200 dollars and hour...8 grand a week. 400,000 dollars a year with 2 weeks vacation...and they never had to pass the bar...and cant lose a case...

I agree. I hate attorneys, even those who are ostensibly “on your side” in a case. It could nearly be defined as legal racketeering.

My wife had an accident on I-40W in Knoxville, just past the US129 interchange, almost three years ago. How a trunk ends up in the backseat while moving at a high rate of speed is beyond me (apparently, this kid was hauling ass and doing one of two things, or both: texting or nursing a hangover). To compound the situation more, she was 7 months pregnant.

We utilized the services of a well-known firm in TN, and needless to say, the settlement was peanuts, even after documenting an upper back/neck/shoulder injury with medical diagnoses.

 

[InVOLuntary]

After watching it again, the man never really was a threat to the woman. He stayed several feet away. The dude should have never reacted the way he did by pushing him to the ground. He owns a significant portion of the the blame here. The shooter never should have shot imo. He was definitely in a compromised position on the ground. He stayed there for some time, even after he pulled the trigger. Plenty of blame to go around on both sides.

It's ashame someone had to lose their life over something so trivial. I never have one iota of sympathy towards people who are killed in commission of a crime, armed or not. But this sad all around.

 

[1972 Grad]

fify

I'm 68, and it ain't nuthin' for me to whup a man's ass. You may have heared of me.

 

[hndog609]

I'm 68, and it ain't nuthin' for me to whup a man's ass. You may have heared of me.

If spanking guys makes you money and it's all consensual, who are we to judge?