'18 TN DT Brant Lawless

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#854
BruinVol said:
Why not?
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not sure on the exact rules but initial counters. Thaxton signed on the dotted line so he counts to the 25 no matter what. not sure how it impacts the 85, maybe he counts to that instead idk. and pretty sure Thaxton had taken part in summer stuff. he was on the team.

*ignore this, I had the stupids.
 
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LouderVol said:
not sure on the exact rules but initial counters. Thaxton signed on the dotted line so he counts to the 25 no matter what. not sure how it impacts the 85, maybe he counts to that instead idk. and pretty sure Thaxton had taken part in summer stuff. he was on the team.
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Thaxton was a 17 signee...didn’t affect the 25.
 
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Wickman said:
I thought it wouldn’t be available til next year? Maybe I’m wrong. That’s happened plent before.
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I see no reason his dismissal doesn't open up a spot on the 85

Now his dismissal doesn't effect the 25 but he could count forward I am sure
 
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Catbone said:
Source?!
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one of sites had said after NSD that he was basically a " your not a great fit or in really bad shape but we will honor your scholarship" ... as soon as he left the door cracked we didn't exactly seem to push as hard as we have for JJ

I like lawless. just saying staff didn't seem to be worried about keeping him or not
 
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Fingers said:
You can now only bring in 25 scholarship players in a calendar year, if I understand the rule correctly.

Only option would be to grayshirt and enroll in January or pay his own way.
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I believe this is correct, which is why it would be most beneficial to him to play somewhere else or go the JUCO route if he wants a career in college FB.
 
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Fingers said:
You can now only bring in 25 scholarship players in a calendar year, if I understand the rule correctly.

Only option would be to grayshirt and enroll in January or pay his own way.
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Yea I get that but the grad transfers for sure can count forward. I don't think we are close to 25 with those counting forward are we?
 
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BruinVol said:
Why?

We have done it many times
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The rule says that if you enter in the fall term you count against the current year. If you enter after the fall term, you can count against the current year or the next year. Grad transfers are subject to the same rules, there aren't any exceptions for them other than not having to sit a year.


15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1). [FBS/FCS]
15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A
student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and
receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in
residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the
institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial
aid to the student-athlete. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A
student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of
the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics
ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has
not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total
counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
 
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BruinVol said:
Yea I get that but the grad transfers for sure can count forward. I don't think we are close to 25 with those counting forward are we?
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Not sure what you're asking. You can't bring in more than 25 scholarship players in a year. The grad transfers count toward that number as far as I know.
 
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Fingers said:
Not sure what you're asking. You can't bring in more than 25 scholarship players in a year. The grad transfers count toward that number as far as I know.
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Nearly certain grad transfer can count either against that 25 or the next years 25. It's been discussed here many times anyways
 
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BruinVol said:
Nearly certain grad transfer can count either against that 25 or the next years 25. It's been discussed here many times anyways
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But the SCHOLARSHIPS in the class count NOW. You can’t have more than 25 new student athletes in an academic year...that’s what you’re not grasping.
 
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butchna said:
But the SCHOLARSHIPS in the class count NOW. You can’t have more than 25 new student athletes in an academic year...that’s what you’re not grasping.
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Then explain why anyone would ever count them forward?


Seems to me the reason is to skirt the 25 rule
 
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BruinVol said:
Nearly certain grad transfer can count either against that 25 or the next years 25. It's been discussed here many times anyways
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Grad transfers are counted toward the current calendar year 25 limit as far as I know.
 
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BruinVol said:
Nearly certain grad transfer can count either against that 25 or the next years 25. It's been discussed here many times anyways
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It's been discussed but no one has ever offered proof. The only exception to the initial counter rules for transfers that I've found is this:

15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.

The only way I could see a grad transfer not counting would be if they were considered not recruited:

15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purposes of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including a coach’s arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.

Then they could count against next year under the nonrecruited section:

15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
 
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BruinVol said:
Then explain why anyone would ever count them forward?


Seems to me the reason is to skirt the 25 rule
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This is a new rule. You’re not getting 30 new players on a roster by counting their spots forward or backward. You can only have 25 bodies...it’s the furthest thing from getting around the 25 limit. It’s enforcing it...unlike in the past when Butch would bring in 30 new football players.
 
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Fingers said:
Grad transfers are counted toward the current year as far as I know.
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I would love to see the rule but it's been discussed by hubbs and other media members that every grad transfer we added late took away from next years 25. At last count as we were down to 21 or 22 iirc. If that's right there has to be counting forward going on
 
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butchna said:
This is a new rule. You’re not getting 30 new players on a roster by counting their spots forward or backward. You can only have 25 bodies...it’s the furthest thing from getting around the 25 limit. It’s enforcing it...unlike in the past when Butch would bring in 30 new football players.
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So how are we down to 21 or 22 spots for next years class?

I know that's been discussed a lot and this seems to suggest that's wrong
 
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BruinVol said:
I would love to see the rule but it's been discussed by hubbs and other media members that every grad transfer we added late took away from next years 25. At last count as we were down to 21 or 22 iirc. If that's right there has to be counting forward going on
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Spots...not bodies. Kennedy’s 25 man spot counts against next year’s but his SCHOLARSHIP counts against the maximum 25 this year.
 
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