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landscapingvol said:
Let’s just say hypothetically that everything you just said is true. What crime did Trump commit? You don’t open an investigation on a sitting President because you believe a crime was committed. You do it because you have an abundance of proof
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"Donald Trump worked with the Russians to defeat Hillary Clinton in a presidential election."

That kind of accusation I'd expect to hear at the end of an investigation. Not days after an election was over before an investigation ever took place.

So far it leads me to two potential conclusions that would explain an accusation that detailed following the election.

Obama admin sat on illegal activities to be used after Hillary won. Rather than act on said activities they chose to use them as an insurance policy. Or launch an investigation at the time of their choosing for maximum effect. Likely mid terms would be my guess.

Or Democrats had no actual proof of anything other than suspected Russian medddling and hoped to find anything legit or anything they could spin and post-it note in the direction of Trump regardless of how flimsy it may be.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Let’s just say hypothetically that everything you just said is true. What crime did Trump commit? You don’t open an investigation on a sitting President because you believe a crime was committed. You do it because you have an abundance of proof
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Is that a fact? What abundance of proof did Ken Starr have on the Whitewater land deal investigation? That really wasn't ever made clear during that whole thing.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
You are missing context. The CIA are angels for our own betterment right?

The CIA has a long history of helping to kill leaders around the world | US news | The Guardian

Don't be so naïve.

Democrats support a massive bureaucracy but demean it at every opportunity when not holding reign.
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That is not the same thing as killing journalists for negative (though factual) reporting and killing or jailing political opponents within their own country! No, it's not! Trump was drawing a completely inappropriate moral equivalency between Russia and the US and you are defending it because you would probably defend him for anything! It's crazy, this sheep mentality.
 
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The Russian hacking did NOT affect any American elections. We did not need a Special Counsel in order to find Russian hackers.

This entire Muler investigation crap needs to end soon and stop wasting taxpayer money.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Is that a fact? What abundance of proof did Ken Starr have on the Whitewater land deal investigation? That really wasn't ever made clear during that whole thing.
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He didn't have an abundance of proof....all the documents they subpoenaed and knew existed at one time were shredded by the same chick that bleached hard drives and smashed cell phones with hammers.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is not the same thing as killing journalists for negative (though factual) reporting and killing or jailing political opponents within their own country! No, it's not! Trump was drawing a completely inappropriate moral equivalency between Russia and the US and you are defending it because you would probably defend him for anything! It's crazy, this sheep mentality.
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Provide a link which shows Trump supports killing journalists?

Here is what is happening in Mexico, so maybe u confused the two:

Inside Story - Why are so many journalists being killed in Mexico? - YouTube
 
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Sometimes I think, are democrats just pretending to be unbelievably stupid to throw us off the scent?

I mean, no one can actually be this dumb, can they?
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Sometimes I think, are democrats just pretending to be unbelievably stupid to throw us off the scent?

I mean, no one can actually be this dumb, can they?
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Being honest in the progression of things, they wish to achieve homogenous thought and policy in the world . A liberal utopia that is a lie, No debate, and no contrarian thought.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
Provide a link which shows Trump supports killing journalists?

Here is what is happening in Mexico, so maybe u confused the two:

Inside Story - Why are so many journalists being killed in Mexico? - YouTube
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LOL! In his interview with Bill O'Reilly, he drew a moral equivalency between the US and Russia with his "Are we so innocent?" remark after O'Reilly asked him about the murders of journalists and political opponents of Putin's in Russia. Trump, as always, was very careful to not say anything critical of Putin... This will also be the case tomorrow. I predict he will defend Putin for the Russian meddling, and once again, and not say one word critical of him.

This is tribalism. Even at the expense of saying negative things about America, you would do whatever you had to in order to defend Trump.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
LOL! In his interview with Bill O'Reilly, he drew a moral equivalency between the US and Russia with his "Are we so innocent?" remark after O'Reilly asked him about the murders of journalists and political opponents of Putin's in Russia. Trump, as always, was very careful to not say anything critical of Putin... This will also be the case tomorrow. I predict he will defend Putin for the Russian meddling, and once again, and not say one word critical of him.

This is tribalism. Even at the expense of saying negative things about America, you would do whatever you had to in order to defend Trump.
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Is he gonna tell him to “back off” like ole red line Obama did?
 
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The Russian military intelligence agency GRU, which is named in Robert Mueller's indictment for allegedly meddling in the 2016 American elections, is also thought to be responsible for the nerve agent attacks in the United Kingdom that have killed one person and injured three others.

Britain was 'closing in on identifying the individuals they believe carried out the operation' that killed Dawn Sturgess, 44, last Sunday and left her partner, Charlie Rowley, 45, fighting for his life, according to The New York Times.

Authorities have not ruled out the possibility that other agencies could have been involved, though British officials are increasing their focus on current or former members of GRU as the culprits.

Russian agency 'thought to be behind Novichok attacks' is same one accused of hacking U.S. election | Daily Mail Online
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
LOL! In his interview with Bill O'Reilly, he drew a moral equivalency between the US and Russia with his "Are we so innocent?" remark after O'Reilly asked him about the murders of journalists and political opponents of Putin's in Russia. Trump, as always, was very careful to not say anything critical of Putin... This will also be the case tomorrow. I predict he will defend Putin for the Russian meddling, and once again, and not say one word critical of him.

This is tribalism. Even at the expense of saying negative things about America, you would do whatever you had to in order to defend Trump.
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That is the point he was making, "Are we so innocent" as a general statement. Well hellz no. And where is the link that says Trump supports killing US national journalists?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
LOL! In his interview with Bill O'Reilly, he drew a moral equivalency between the US and Russia with his "Are we so innocent?" remark after O'Reilly asked him about the murders of journalists and political opponents of Putin's in Russia. Trump, as always, was very careful to not say anything critical of Putin... This will also be the case tomorrow. I predict he will defend Putin for the Russian meddling, and once again, and not say one word critical of him.

This is tribalism. Even at the expense of saying negative things about America, you would do whatever you had to in order to defend Trump.
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And you'll make any outrageous statement you can to damn Trump. It's not tribalism. It's people disagreeing with your opinions, and you throwing a fit about it. What do you want to hear? Yes, I believe Russia hacked the DNC, but I still want to see proof. I do not believe Trump was complicit, nor do I believe it effected the outcome of the election. I also believe Mueller's investigation is a waste of money, and that the investigation into Russia could easily have been handled by the CIA, but for political reasons, a SC was named.
 
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I also think it's idiotic that some want Trump to directly challenge Putin. That's not how diplomacy works. We have options. We could condemn Russia, enact sanctions, and bring back the Cold War(which seems to be the choice of the left). Or our intelligence agencies could get off their ass and make sure this doesn't happen again. Or hell, if we have the proof, I'm not sure why we can't present a case to the ICJ(not that it'll do much good, but maybe shut up the left). But some seem to believe Trump needs to call Putin a liar to his face. Why? What would that accomplish?


Honestly, if the DNC had just heeded warnings and secured their servers, none of this BS would have happened.
 
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