TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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evillawyer said:
Ok, so you're argument is there can't be anything amiss here because 14 months later Trump took strong actions against Russia. As if nothing happened during those 14 months that could have forced Trump's hand, right?
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those sanctions are not the only anti-Russia actions Trump has taken since taking office so the 14 months thing is a canard.

as for the Obama context the point is important since we know Obama's actions included ordering a stand down on retaliations once for Russian meddling opt instead to tell Putin to "cut it out". He threw on some sanctions as he went out the door.

some facts about what Trump has done and this list ignores his moves on LNG supplies to Europe

Byron York: Trump and Obama: Who's really tougher on Russia | Commentary | dothaneagle.com
 
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evillawyer said:
No, the issue is why did multiple Russian billionaires attend invitation-only inauguration events "typically reserved for top donors and close political allies." Now, there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for that (maybe billionaires from all over the word were invited to attend; maybe these were friends of Trump who just happened to be Russian). But what doesn't explain it--and is completely irrelevant to that question--is what Obama did or did not do to combat Russian election interference. That's a deflection from the issue at hand.
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Common Red Hat reaction. Deflect, then screech about Hillary and Obama. Then call you a libtard or dim.

Someone will be along shortly to post about Deep State and that Q guy from Reddit smoking meth in some basement in Alabama.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Common Red Hat reaction. Deflect, then screech about Hillary and Obama. Then call you a libtard or dim.

Someone will be along shortly to post about Deep State and that Q guy from Reddit smoking meth in some basement in Alabama.
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Shouldn’t you be packing and buying a plane ticket while you can?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I really think you’re smarter than that and you’re just trying to be supportive of Micks latest dumbass “aha!” point.
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Mick was obviously making a joke, which I was laughing at because I saw the same issue as Mick did. Mueller's marching orders are not to "get Trump" but to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and"--and this is the big one--"individuals associated with the campaign." That Gowdy is giving Rosenstein a hard time because he doesn't have anything specifically on Trump miscontrues what Mueller is supposed to be investigating.
 
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Mick said:
Federal court documents unsealed Wednesday reveal that former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had much closer ties to a Russian oligarch linked to Vladimir Putin than had been previously disclosed.

A company jointly owned by Manafort and his wife received a $10 million loan in 2010 from the oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, according to the documents, which also alleged that the Russian billionaire provided financial backing for Manafort’s consulting work in Ukraine as far back as 2005.


That information came from a source whose name was redacted in the documents, suggesting that one of Manafort’s former associates has cooperated with special counsel Robert Mueller’s wide-ranging investigation into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Mueller reveals closer Manafort ties to Russian oligarch - POLITICO
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Mueller putting the screws to them. Nothing better than watching rats flip on their mob bosses.
 
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evillawyer said:
Mick was obviously making a joke, which I was laughing at because I saw the same issue as Mick did. Mueller's marching orders are not to "get Trump" but to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and"--and this is the big one--"individuals associated with the campaign." That Gowdy is giving Rosenstein a hard time because he doesn't have anything specifically on Trump miscontrues what Mueller is supposed to be investigating.
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You actually think Mick is joking?!😳🤪😂
 
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volinbham said:
those sanctions are not the only anti-Russia actions Trump has taken since taking office so the 14 months thing is a canard.

as for the Obama context the point is important since we know Obama's actions included ordering a stand down on retaliations once for Russian meddling opt instead to tell Putin to "cut it out". He threw on some sanctions as he went out the door.

some facts about what Trump has done and this list ignores his moves on LNG supplies to Europe

Byron York: Trump and Obama: Who's really tougher on Russia | Commentary | dothaneagle.com
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Obama didn't counter cyber attack Russia at a time when our Government agencies techniques and tactics were already in the hands of the very country that you want to wage this war with.

Are you suggesting that his decision not to wage this battle was wrong?
 
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Mick said:
Obama didn't counter cyber attack Russia at a time when our Government agencies techniques and tactics were already in the hands of the very country that you want to wage this war with.

Are you suggesting that his decision not to wage this battle was wrong?
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Not just me - many on his team are still pissed he resorted to "cut it out" instead of taking some action. Action plans were crafted, vetted and ready to go.

But this misses the larger point - it's just one example of minimum action on his part particularly compared to more action on Trump's part yet the mantra from you and EL is that Trump did nothing negative to Russia when the facts point in the exact opposite direction.
 
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TennTom said:
WTF? The US and allies had 3 rounds of sanctions over Crimea in 2014.



International sanctions during the Ukrainian crisis - Wikipedia
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Yawn

Trump’s Russia Policy Is Better Than Obama’s Was – Foreign Policy

More than a year into Trump’s presidency, however, none of the fears generated by his early statements on Russia have become a reality. If you strip away his ostensibly chummy personal relationship with Putin, Trump’s Russia policy has been drastically more assertive than that of his predecessor. In 14 months, here is what his administration has done:
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And to head of the next screech of “lol biased!”

Foreign Policy - Media Bias/Fact Check
 
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volinbham said:
Not just me - many on his team are still pissed he resorted to "cut it out" instead of taking some action. Action plans were crafted, vetted and ready to go.

But this misses the larger point - it's just one example of minimum action on his part particularly compared to more action on Trump's part yet the mantra from you and EL is that Trump did nothing negative to Russia when the facts point in the exact opposite direction.
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You are the one that highlighted the non cyber retaliation and downplayed the swift Obama sanctions against Russia. Get a better argument next time.
 
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A former aide to Roger J. Stone Jr., the longtime Trump adviser and self-described “dirty trickster,” was subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury hearing evidence in the Russia investigation and to hand over documents, and his lawyer said he planned to move on Thursday to quash it in court.

The aide, Andrew Miller, has not been mentioned before publicly in the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

Mr. Miller, a registered Libertarian, worked briefly for Mr. Stone around the Republican convention in 2016, helping to arrange media interviews and conducting other tasks, according to a person close to Mr. Stone.

Ex-Aide to Roger Stone Is Subpoenaed in Russia Investigation - The New York Times
 
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Mick said:
You are the one that highlighted the non cyber retaliation and downplayed the swift Obama sanctions against Russia. Get a better argument next time.
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what swift sanctions? In December on his way out the door or telling them to cut it out. Anyway you slice it Trump has taken more action that harms Russia than Obama did yet you clowns keep claiming Trump has been soft on Russia.

I don't know why I even bother
 
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TennTom said:
I find it comical that you now have so much faith in the intelligence agencies to properly investigate that those on your side have been bashing for the last year. Good stuff.
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Maybe a lot of us think that when you contract something out to prove a specific point, the result you get will generally prove the theory you paid for. The DNC wasn't looking for unbiased answers; they were looking for a counter.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Someone had to deliver the vodka......
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In that case, the story line would obviously change to "Russian mob (backed by Russian state nationalists) supplying Trump with bootleg vodka". Probably poisoned and only the Trump faithful received the pre-consumed antidote.
 
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