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scvolfan7 said:
Stop thinking short term. It would be a disaster to go 8-4 and then get worse the next year because of incompetent QB play. Would kill recruiting and now with the new transfer rule you would probably see several kids leave.
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There are so many logical flaws here...
 
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SSVol said:
That was not the worst team in Tennessee history. They did have the worst record though.
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Terrible offense, pathetic defense (worse than sunseri’s), and mediocre special teams (probably would have been terrible without Daniel punting).

The only reason the defense didn’t look worse was because teams right the ball with ease against us so the games ended faster
 
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Good chance McBride transfers at some point. And if we bring in an elite FR QB, JG could be a transfer risk then, too. He threatened to transfer last year, there's concern he'll transfer this year... or be a grad transfer next year. It's hard to build an offense around a guy you're always worried will transfer.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Because McBride is trash? 42.5% passing against two horrible defenses. Shrout has upside but I doubt he will be ready next year.

The judgement of JG here is ridiculous. It was his first year playing and it was for the worst team in Tennessee history under what I consider the worst coaching staff Tennessee has ever had on offense. He didn’t look at for a freshman. All of his mistakes were things that will improve with experience
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Wait, how can you judge McBride? I thought you wanted to throw everything out from last year due to poor coaching?

Can’t all the same things you said be the same for McBride?
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Wait, how can you judge McBride? I thought you wanted to throw everything out from last year due to poor coaching?

Can’t all the same things you said be the same for McBride?
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To a degree but he played against worse competition and had a 15% difference in completing passes. Can’t judge either too harshly, but with that being said there’s a clear difference between the two. Plus he’s small
 
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scvolfan7 said:
To a degree but he played against worse competition and had a 15% difference in completing passes. Can’t judge either too harshly, but with that being said there’s a clear difference between the two. Plus he’s small
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He weighs more than JG, he ain’t that small
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Hes shorter, has a worse arm, and isn’t as accurate. JG>>>>>>McBride
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I’m not trying to argue for McBride here by the way.

Just points out you are willing to give JG a pass in certain areas because you like him and not McBride. Either last year matters or it doesn’t.

If JG played for Florida we would be making fun of how bad their QB situation was
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Name them
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>>It would be a disaster to go 8-4 and then get worse the next year because of incompetent QB play. <<

The entire basis of your argument is that this would happen. Auburn went from 3-9 one year to 12-2 the next with the addition of a transfer QB. It is far from a given that we would step back, and even with a QB change, the rest of the team should be playing at a higher level.

>>Would kill recruiting<<

No guarantee that the first part happens, but if so, going 7-5 wouldn't necessarily kill recruiting. It wouldn't be super helpful, but even kids understand rebuilding seasons happen.

>>and now with the new transfer rule you would probably see several kids leave.<<

Because they dropped back under a new QB? Again, no basis.


So you started with a straw man and built on it.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
I’m not trying to argue for McBride here by the way.

Just points out you are willing to give JG a pass in certain areas because you like him and not McBride. Either last year matters or it doesn’t.

If JG played for Florida we would be making fun of how bad their QB situation was
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Last year kind of matters. You can make some assessments. Both played and JG played much better.

And Florida basically has the same situation as us. Franks is similar to JG in that they’re both talented but haven’t put it together yet. Difference is Franks made a lot more mistakes and got to play under a more competent coach (not much more competent but McElwain could at least get to ATL lol).
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Well last year they were the worst team in modern UT history.
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No. They had the worst record.

Was 2012 Auburn's worst team? No. There is zero chance they would be playing for the NC the next year if that were true. It was their worst record, but not their worst team.

If you can't understand the difference, I got nothing to help that.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Last year kind of matters. You can make some assessments. Both played and JG played much better.

And Florida basically has the same situation as us. Franks is similar to JG in that they’re both talented but haven’t put it together yet. Difference is Franks made a lot more mistakes and got to play under a more competent coach (not much more competent but McElwain could at least get to ATL lol).
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Which is the reason I feel the way I do about JG.

No throw or game popped off the page to make me say, “wow, this kid could be really good”

I think he can be adequate in the SEC
 
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SSVol said:
>>It would be a disaster to go 8-4 and then get worse the next year because of incompetent QB play. <<

The entire basis of your argument is that this would happen. Auburn went from 3-9 one year to 12-2 the next with the addition of a transfer QB. It is far from a given that we would step back, and even with a QB change, the rest of the team should be playing at a higher level.

>>Would kill recruiting<<

No guarantee that the first part happens, but if so, going 7-5 wouldn't necessarily kill recruiting. It wouldn't be super helpful, but even kids understand rebuilding seasons happen.

>>and now with the new transfer rule you would probably see several kids leave.<<

Because they dropped back under a new QB? Again, no basis.


So you started with a straw man and built on it.
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You really wanna depend on a really talented guy like Stidham being out there as a grad transfer? If we are depending on Shrout at that point, 5-7 is way more likely than 7-5. That is the basis of his argument, and it's not straw.
 
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SSVol said:
>>It would be a disaster to go 8-4 and then get worse the next year because of incompetent QB play. <<

The entire basis of your argument is that this would happen. Auburn went from 3-9 one year to 12-2 the next with the addition of a transfer QB. It is far from a given that we would step back, and even with a QB change, the rest of the team should be playing at a higher level.

>>Would kill recruiting<<

No guarantee that the first part happens, but if so, going 7-5 wouldn't necessarily kill recruiting. It wouldn't be super helpful, but even kids understand rebuilding seasons happen.

>>and now with the new transfer rule you would probably see several kids leave.<<

Because they dropped back under a new QB? Again, no basis.


So you started with a straw man and built on it.
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Hoss if you think McBride or shrout is going to lead us to a 7-5 season you are sadly mistaken. We wouldn’t get to a bowl game. McBride isn’t very talented and shrout seems really turnover prone.

Also Nick Marshall was at AU for two years. If Chryst was a two year player I would have zero problem with him winning the job. That’s not the case though.

You think recruits would be cool with us going 8-4 and then barely or not making a bowl game? We’ve heard crouch will pick us based on this year’s performance. If he gets here and we start losing I bet he and others like him would leave. No restrictions on transferring now.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
You really wanna depend on a really talented guy like Stidham being out there as a grad transfer? If we are depending on Shrout at that point, 5-7 is way more likely than 7-5. That is the basis of his argument, and it's not straw.
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I have no idea how you can say this with any confidence whatsoever. What is your basis?
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Which is the reason I feel the way I do about JG.

No throw or game popped off the page to make me say, “wow, this kid could be really good”

I think he can be adequate in the SEC
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That’s all we need. As you posted earlier, Helton isn’t going to ask them to do much. Let JG play, gain confidence, and develop. In my eyes there’s zero upside to chryst playing
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
You really wanna depend on a really talented guy like Stidham being out there as a grad transfer? If we are depending on Shrout at that point, 5-7 is way more likely than 7-5. That is the basis of his argument, and it's not straw.
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Because Bama wins every year by having the most talented QB? Um, no.

If the team as a whole has improved, all we would need is a serviceable QB to go 8-4 or better. If the team as a whole has not improved, having JG for one more season isn't gonna change anything.
 
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Everybody's writing off Shrout. He needs to bulk up some more and get some experience, but he can play in four games and still RS. He's athletic, makes good reads, has a strong arm and has shown he can scramble when he needs to. He needs to work on his accuracy and improve his footwork, but he could end up being better than people think. It'll be interesting to see how he develops this year.
 
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