TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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BowlBrother85 said:
Somehow, I doubt that your vote was ever in play for the Democrats. LOL.

I love Shuler, but he couldn't be taken seriously in his run in 2010 because he was never secure enough in his seat. I don't care for Pelosi but her seat is about as secure as any in the entire House of Reps. She gets between 76-81% of the vote every election.
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You have no idea.
I don’t vote in presidential races but have voted Democrat as much as Republicans in my life. My grandparents were in leadership of the local Democratic Party when I was a child.
I didn’t leave the Democrats, they left me.


Edit: the Democrats does not want people like me. People with a standard. They want people like you. Partisan sheep that do what they are told and defend the talking points.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So we don’t have to follow the rules when it’s inconvenient?
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Basically, each party makes it's own rules. Granted, the Democratic party has some strange ones - the concept of a "Superdelegate" is unique to the Democrats and in it's own way a security measure that their nominee will be whoever the party establishment wants it to be. That's politics.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You have no idea.
I don’t vote in presidential races but have voted Democrat as much as Republicans in my life. My grandparents were in leadership of the local Democratic Party when I was a child.
I didn’t leave the Democrats, they left me.


Edit: the Democrats does not want people like me. People with a standard. They want people like you. Partisan sheep that do what they are told and defend the talking points.
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Be easy on them Slice, it’s Fathers Day.
 
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evillawyer said:
Evidently, this Russian previously worked for the FBI. Stone is claiming this was a set-up.
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If that was a set-up, the FBI would have made it more financially palatable (knowing how cheap Trump is) to finish the transaction. Just another meeting with Russians that these bumbling fools "forgot about".
 
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Still waiting on the really important question to be answered by the masses on here...

What exactly did Russia hope to accomplish by putting Trump into office again?

Furthermore, what did they have to lose by not backing Hillary who had already shown the propensity to work with them?

Asking for a...never mind, I'm asking because nobody ever answers it.
 
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Democrats met with Russians long before Trump was a candidate. Why does this matter now? Because it’s Trump.

The real collusion.
 

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Grand Vol said:
Still waiting on the really important question to be answered by the masses on here...

What exactly did Russia hope to accomplish by putting Trump into office again?

Furthermore, what did they have to lose by not backing Hillary who had already shown the propensity to work with them?

Asking for a...never mind, I'm asking because nobody ever answers it.
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And why did Trump need the Russians to do what anyone with community college marketing classes could do?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Somehow, I doubt that your vote was ever in play for the Democrats. LOL.

I love Shuler, but he couldn't be taken seriously in his run in 2010 because he was never secure enough in his seat. I don't care for Pelosi but her seat is about as secure as any in the entire House of Reps. She gets between 76-81% of the vote every election.
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I think the point Slice was trying to make (he can correct me) but when you have moderate Democrats trying to change the direction of the party nearly a decade ago because they were moving too far left, the writing was on the wall.

Yes, the DNC has lost a lot of middle ground in recent years because their politics have moved further left. To an extent, Shuler was a dead duck because of the (D) behind his name. Guilt by association if you will. Most people won't remember him challenging Pelosi for that seat. But they do remember he ran as a Democrat and lost when a lot of the Blue Dogs were taken out of office that year.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Still waiting on the really important question to be answered by the masses on here...

What exactly did Russia hope to accomplish by putting Trump into office again?

Furthermore, what did they have to lose by not backing Hillary who had already shown the propensity to work with them?

Asking for a...never mind, I'm asking because nobody ever answers it.
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Several possibilities:

(1) The Russians have kompromat on Trump, so he would be an easy blackmail target.

(2) Trump has shown sympathy to Putin for years and the Russians thought, even without the kompromat, that he would be more likely to take a more favorable position with them

(3) Bad blood between Hillary and Putin. Trump was lesser of two evils.

(4) Trump was very polarizing within the US and abroad and his election would weaken Western alliances to the benefit of Russia (which is already happening).

(5) Trump is a moron and easily flattered.
 
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evillawyer said:
Several possibilities:

(1) The Russians have kompromat on Trump, so he would be an easy blackmail target.

(2) Trump has shown sympathy to Putin for years and the Russians thought, even without the kompromat, that he would be more likely to take a more favorable position with them

(3) Bad blood between Hillary and Putin. Trump was lesser of two evils.

(4) Trump was very polarizing within the US and abroad and his election would weaken Western alliances to the benefit of Russia (which is already happening).

(5) Trump is a moron and easily flattered.
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There about has to be something impeachable in there, right?
 
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evillawyer said:
Several possibilities:

(1) The Russians have kompromat on Trump, so he would be an easy blackmail target. And you think they don't have material on Hillary? Easily the most compromising politician ever?

(2) Trump has shown sympathy to Putin for years and the Russians thought, even without the kompromat, that he would be more likely to take a more favorable position with them He has?

80 times Trump talked about Putin

(3) Bad blood between Hillary and Putin. Trump was lesser of two evils. Can you point to said "bad blood" between Hillary and Putin?

What? He didn't donate to the Clinton Foundation?

(4) Trump was very polarizing within the US and abroad and his election would weaken Western alliances to the benefit of Russia (which is already happening). lol Care to point to specific instances?

(5) Trump is a moron and easily flattered. Ahh, the standard liberal go-to on Trump. "He's dumb!" Yet, he was able to win the election, get one of the last standing hardline communist dictatorships to sit down at the peace table, work the economy into a frenzy as well as the other items he's accomplished.

Yet, he's a moron. Got it.
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You really should think more before hitting the submit button.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think the point Slice was trying to make (he can correct me) but when you have moderate Democrats trying to change the direction of the party nearly a decade ago because they were moving too far left, the writing was on the wall.

Yes, the DNC has lost a lot of middle ground in recent years because their politics have moved further left. To an extent, Shuler was a dead duck because of the (D) behind his name. Guilt by association if you will. Most people won't remember him challenging Pelosi for that seat. But they do remember he ran as a Democrat and lost when a lot of the Blue Dogs were taken out of office that year.
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Again, I love Shuler (one of my all time fave UT players and I had a marketing class with him in the spring of 1993. Very friendly though he didn't show up very much.) and as I recall, his district was gerrymandered to ensure he couldn't win again - so, he didn't even bother running. I keep saying this - but that's politics. Both sides get their hands dirty. To pretend one is above the other is silly.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Again, I love Shuler (one of my all time fave UT players and I had a marketing class with him in the spring of 1993. Very friendly though he didn't show up very much.) and as I recall, his district was gerrymandered to ensure he couldn't win again - so, he didn't even bother running. I keep saying this - but that's politics. Both sides get their hands dirty. To pretend one is above the other is silly.
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I think regardless of who and what happened in that district, very few Blue Dogs were going to win in that year.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Still waiting on the really important question to be answered by the masses on here...

What exactly did Russia hope to accomplish by putting Trump into office again?

Furthermore, what did they have to lose by not backing Hillary who had already shown the propensity to work with them?

Asking for a...never mind, I'm asking because nobody ever answers it.
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He wanted back in the G8.
He wanted NK and the US to cool off toward one another.
He wanted to see a deterioration in the relationships between the US and their traditional allies.
He wanted someone he had leverage over.
He wanted public discourse within the US.
He wanted someone who would greatly damage the free press.
He wanted someone who had the same world view of an elitist Caucasian power structure.
He wanted someone who agreed that all men were not created equal.
He wanted someone who would rip the fabric of American society completely in half. (a divider and not a uniter)
 
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luthervol said:
He wanted back in the G8.
He wanted NK and the US to cool off toward one another.
He wanted to see a deterioration in the relationships between the US and their traditional allies.
He wanted someone he had leverage over.
He wanted public discourse within the US.
He wanted someone who would greatly damage the free press.
He wanted someone who had the same world view of an elitist Caucasian power structure.
He wanted someone who agreed that all men were not created equal.
He wanted someone who would rip the fabric of American society completely in half. (a divider and not a uniter)
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Grand Vol = :mf_surrender:
 
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Grand Vol said:
Soooooo you have nothing to back up anything you said. Gotcha.

You're more than welcome to link anything you want, sport. Not that you will.
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Bad blood: The roots of the hostility between Putin and Clinton - The Washington Post

Why does Vladimir Putin hate Hillary Clinton? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Why Putin hates Hillary - POLITICO

Hillary Clinton: Why Vladimir Putin Has a Grudge Against Her | Time

I could go on for each of the reasons I listed, but there's this wonderful thing called Google. Maybe you should try it a bit.
 
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luthervol said:
He wanted back in the G8.
He wanted NK and the US to cool off toward one another.
He wanted to see a deterioration in the relationships between the US and their traditional allies.
He wanted someone he had leverage over.
He wanted public discourse within the US.
He wanted someone who would greatly damage the free press.
He wanted someone who had the same world view of an elitist Caucasian power structure.
He wanted someone who agreed that all men were not created equal.
He wanted someone who would rip the fabric of American society completely in half. (a divider and not a uniter)
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Then why didn’t he support Hillary?
 
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