TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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Let's say Manafort flips, and testifies against Trump. If he does, he needs to provide actual proof of Trump wrongdoing, not offer up just his word. Simply saying I did such and such for Trump and he knew about it isn't enough. He needs to be able to show he's not lying. Immunity isn't a simple tit for tat. Manafort may very well say anything trying to save his own ass, but there's no guarantee what he says is the truth. And simply believing Trump did something is far different than proving he did something. So even if Manafort flips, unless he can prove what he says is true, Mueller still has nothing.

If Trump is guilty of an actual crime, I have zero problem with prosecution, but it needs to be proven conclusively he indeed committed a crime. Enough of the political drama bull**** of "I think he did it therefore he must be guilty."

Mueller should be glad it's Trump he's investigating. If it had been Hillary, all these people he's trying to flip would be dead already.
 
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Weezer said:
Let's say Manafort flips, and testifies against Trump. If he does, he needs to provide actual proof of Trump wrongdoing, not offer up just his word. Simply saying I did such and such for Trump and he knew about it isn't enough. He needs to be able to show he's not lying. Immunity isn't a simple tit for tat. Manafort may very well say anything trying to save his own ass, but there's no guarantee what he says is the truth. And simply believing Trump did something is far different than proving he did something. So even if Manafort flips, unless he can prove what he says is true, Mueller still has nothing.

If Trump is guilty of an actual crime, I have zero problem with prosecution, but it needs to be proven conclusively he indeed committed a crime. Enough of the political drama bull**** of "I think he did it therefore he must be guilty."

Mueller should be glad it's Trump he's investigating. If it had been Hillary, all these people he's trying to flip would be dead already.
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So Trump is only guilty in your eyes if it is proven conclusively, yet Clinton is guilty of having people killed based on right wing conspiracies?

I guess your comment was tongue in cheek, but many of the people defending Trump's innocence are the very same ones claiming Clinton is guilty of all sorts of crimes that are nothing more than right wing conspiracies.
 
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luthervol said:
So Trump is only guilty in your eyes if it is proven conclusively, yet Clinton is guilty of having people killed based on right wing conspiracies?

I guess your comment was tongue in cheek, but many of the people defending Trump's innocence are the very same ones claiming Clinton is guilty of all sorts of crimes that are nothing more than right wing conspiracies.
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Nm
 
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1972 Grad said:
Shirley, you can't be serious.
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Only partially serious. The way the mind functions changes over time. Some changes are positive and some changes are negative. The mind needed for a POTUS may be more effected by the negatives, the mind needed for a supreme court justice may be more effected by the positives. It's caught up with Bernie.
 
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luthervol said:
Only partially serious. The way the mind functions changes over time. Some changes are positive and some changes are negative. The mind needed for a POTUS may be more effected by the negatives, the mind needed for a supreme court justice may be more effected by the positives. It's caught up with Bernie.
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All that I know is that both my parents lived to be in their 90's and never lost a brain cell from what I could tell. They were both very lucid and smart until the end. My wife's parents are in their 80's, and not too sharp. Depends upon the individual.
 
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luthervol said:
Only partially serious. The way the mind functions changes over time. Some changes are positive and some changes are negative. The mind needed for a POTUS may be more effected by the negatives, the mind needed for a supreme court justice may be more effected by the positives. It's caught up with Bernie.
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Lol
 
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1972 Grad said:
All that I know is that both my parents lived to be in their 90's and never lost a brain cell from what I could tell. They were both very lucid and smart until the end. My wife's parents are in their 80's, and not too sharp. Depends upon the individual.
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I don't know you personally, but you're definitely sharper than Luther. He's no doubt going to be like your in-laws.
 
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luthervol said:
So Trump is only guilty in your eyes if it is proven conclusively, yet Clinton is guilty of having people killed based on right wing conspiracies?

I guess your comment was tongue in cheek, but many of the people defending Trump's innocence are the very same ones claiming Clinton is guilty of all sorts of crimes that are nothing more than right wing conspiracies.
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The inverse of your argument works against you.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Only way that I know is to write down the thread title and the post number on paper, and retrieve it from your records as needed.
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Pencil-CAD! Old school.

On the age and mental sharpness front I have it in the good authority of my wife I am a dumbass. There is apparently no hope either. 😢
 
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DC_Vol said:
I don't know you personally, but you're definitely sharper than Luther. He's no doubt going to be like your in-laws.
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Thanks. I think that I'm as sharp as ever. Everyone tells me that I have an incredible memory. I can put myself in a situation from 50 years ago, and remember the weather and what I was wearing in many instances.

I remember words to old songs that I haven't heard in years, or where on a page something was written in a book or notebook.....details of conversations, etc.

Last week, I found an old school friend on line, and sent him a birthday email. I haven't seen or corresponded with him in over 50 years, but remembered his birthday and got in touch. I also told him his old phone number, and a couple of things that we did in elementary school. He was amazed, and couldn't recall the situations.
 
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1972 Grad said:
All that I know is that both my parents lived to be in their 90's and never lost a brain cell from what I could tell. They were both very lucid and smart until the end. My wife's parents are in their 80's, and not too sharp. Depends upon the individual.
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I agree completely. I've observed it with my parents and my wife's parents. My theory is that age may bring increased wisdom and depth but it also frequently brings slower processing times. If I'm looking for good advice, age is a plus; if I'm looking for multiple quick responses, advanced age is a negative.

This conversation started with a comment about Bill Clinton, and having seen Trump's 30 minute press conference this morning I realized they may just be to old to be on camera and forced to respond quickly. Maybe they could at one point; but neither can any longer.

Edit: Add the Rudy interview I saw tonight as further evidence.
 
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luthervol said:
I agree completely. I've observed it with my parents and my wife's parents. My theory is that age may bring increased wisdom and depth but it also frequently brings slower processing times. If I'm looking for good advice, age is a plus; if I'm looking for multiple quick responses, advanced age is a negative.

This conversation started with a comment about Bill Clinton, and having seen Trump's 30 minute press conference this morning I realized they may just be to old to be on camera and forced to respond quickly. Maybe they could at one point; but neither can any longer.

Edit: Add the Rudy interview I saw tonight as further evidence.
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I disagree about multiple quick responses. Depends upon the individual. Clinton isn't aging or looking well.


Another thing that I have noticed is that declining physical health, along with being put to sleep numerous times for operations seems to take a lot out of an older person's mental acuity. My folks were never sick.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I disagree about multiple quick responses. Depends upon the individual. Clinton isn't aging or looking well.


Another thing that I have noticed is that declining physical health, along with being put to sleep numerous times for operations seems to take a lot out of an older person's mental acuity. My folks were never sick.
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I think that if 1000 randomly selected people took tests designed to measure mental speed every ten years from the ages of 20 to 80 that there would be distinct patterns emerge. Usually, what's true of the body is true of the mind. I know my 40 time has been getting slower. The trade off for speed is depth and wisdom. IMHO
 
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orangeluvr said:
Similar to watergate, one of the convicted burglars turned evidence for a lighter sentence, it led to the downfall of tricky dick.No matter how the right attempts to minimize the manafort case, it's a significant development. Dominos,not chess. :yes:
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luthervol said:
I think that if 1000 randomly selected people took tests designed to measure mental speed every ten years from the ages of 20 to 80 that there would be distinct patterns emerge. Usually, what's true of the body is true of the mind. I know my 40 time has been getting slower. The trade off for speed is depth and wisdom. IMHO
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I scored pretty high on the Wunderlich test last year (better than most quarterbacks that were 45 years younger) , and that requires quick thinking. Don't measure my corn by your own half-bushel.
 
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luthervol said:
So Trump is only guilty in your eyes if it is proven conclusively, yet Clinton is guilty of having people killed based on right wing conspiracies?

I guess your comment was tongue in cheek, but many of the people defending Trump's innocence are the very same ones claiming Clinton is guilty of all sorts of crimes that are nothing more than right wing conspiracies.
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The kill comment was tongue in cheek, though I admit, I still have lots of questions and suspicions about the death of Vince Foster.

Claiming all of her other scandals were some vast right wing conspiracy, well that's just laughable. Just because she slid through scot free doesn't mean she was innocent. Travelgate was real. People were actually fired, and Clinton cohorts actually hired. IIRC, the media scrutiny caused the Clinton's to rehire some people. Filegate was real. The Clintons were found to actually be in possession of files they shouldn't be in possession of. The IRS thing, where Clinton opponents found themselves getting audited, it happened. Letting political donors stay the night in the Lincoln bedroom, happened. When Bill left office, they actually took things that didn't belong to them(theft). Some of those items were returned, some they paid for, but I'm not sure all the items were ever accounted for. Main point, they shouldn't have been taken to begin with.

I could go on and on. Email scandal, actually happened. She improperly received emails containing classified information through her private server. Benghazi, happened. People died because of her decisions not to follow protocols. Lying about getting shot at, happened. When faced with actual video proof she was lying, she shifted her story claiming she was told there were snipers. She's every bit the liar Trump is.

It's not some vast right wing conspiracy. These things(and more) actually happened. Republicans did not force her to commit these actions. Did they run with them after the fact. Absolutely, but there was never a conspiracy. They never had to make things up because Hillary was the gift that kept on giving. She did bad things, then acted like "who me?" when she got caught. And the sad fact is, you and every other Democrat lapped it up as if she were indeed somehow an innocent victim. Everything she faced, she brought on herself.

The saddest part of all, imo, is that she never had to actually face the music. She always found ways to escape actual prosecution. And it's not because she was innocent. You can choose to believe that, but it's far from the truth. I guarantee if a Republican had done even half of the things she's done, you'd be losing you're mine screaming of their guilt.


Sometimes, some politicians are over vilified. It happens on both sides of the aisle. Hillary is not one of those people. She's earned every critique she's received.
 
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luthervol said:
Only partially serious. The way the mind functions changes over time. Some changes are positive and some changes are negative. The mind needed for a POTUS may be more effected by the negatives, the mind needed for a supreme court justice may be more effected by the positives. It's caught up with Bernie.
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:popcorn:
 
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