Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

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bignewt said:
I have put a lot of thought into that. If i would have been drafted to go to Vietnam I would have been Canada bound. Of course that is the hindsight of seeing how completely senseless that police action was. If it was to preserve our country on our soil, I would join up.
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That's weak. If you were drafted to be in Vietnam, your rear end should have been on that plane over.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
How do you explain there not being a single contradiction in the Bible? Certain books are hundreds and hundreds of years older than other books, but everything still lines up. Every prophecy in the Old Testament game true in the New.
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The bible is laced with contradictions.

Here is one in the 1st book lol:

GE 1:3-5*On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.*

GE 1:14-19*The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.*
 
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bignewt said:
So it is purposefully mysterious? Don't you find that odd that the one book dealing with the end of the world, perhaps the most important part, would be vague and really non-interpretable? There are nightly Christian "news" shows that solely delve into the end times and all the signs as shown in revelations. My parents talk about the rapture coming like the Strawberry Festival. Would you not say it written to strike fear into man? You better get right before Jesus comes back and the mark of the beast is forced upon you! Its just so...tough to grasp.
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Yeah there are people who are very passionate about eschatology. They are looking for signs of the times and all of that stuff, and I won't say that they are wrong. But there is absolutely a mysterious aspect of Revelation. It wouldn't be apocalyptic language if it wasn't intended to be mysterious. He could have told us very plainly like we are told about justification and propitiation in Romans. He didn't do that though. Instead, He used symbolism that is difficult to interpret.

That said, there are many things that we all agree about. There is no doubt that Christ is coming again, for example. Everyone of these positions believe that. But how He is coming, when He is coming, these are the events that are debated. But they do not affect one's salvation. On those matters, the Bible is very clear. The main thrust behind the eschatological texts is that we are to be ready, for we do not know when He is coming.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Christ is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. So the God that Abraham told about is the Triune God of Scripture. Yes, Jesus is God. If you deny that Jesus is God, we do not worship the same God.
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Right. But the Holy Trinity is used to explain how Christianity is monotheistic to adhere to Abrahamic belief in one God. But if you are saying that Judaism and Islam are worshiping a different God, then you are implying that there is more than one god which contradicts the point of the doctrine of the Trinity, IMO. I think your main point is that you can't get into heaven without accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior. My original point in this is that there were religions before and after Christianity based on a single God told about by the same person, Abraham, who all taught the same basic morals. And there were many other non-Abrahamic religions that also had the same basic moral lessons. Which supports your argument that the reason for an objective morality is God. However, if God is the reason for an objective morality, then it would seem he injected that same basic morality into nearly every religion in the world's history. So, that can be taught in any religion, or even in absence of religion as some have stated with the golden rule.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Yeah there are people who are very passionate about eschatology. They are looking for signs of the times and all of that stuff, and I won't say that they are wrong. But there is absolutely a mysterious aspect of Revelation. It wouldn't be apocalyptic language if it wasn't intended to be mysterious. He could have told us very plainly like we are told about justification and propitiation in Romans. He didn't do that though. Instead, He used symbolism that is difficult to interpret.

That said, there are many things that we all agree about. There is no doubt that Christ is coming again, for example. Everyone of these positions believe that. But how He is coming, when He is coming, these are the events that are debated. But they do not affect one's salvation. On those matters, the Bible is very clear. The main thrust behind the eschatological texts is that we are to be ready, for we do not know when He is coming.
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That is a very convenient thrust. Be ready cause the rapture is coming but we don't know when...but soon. Definitely soon.
 
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bignewt said:
Is it a sin to leave a steaming pile in a public restroom? Surely there is a passage that is relevant there.
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Nah I don't think so. Hope not anyway. Matter of fact, I backed one out in Ruth's Chris Steakhouse the other night and left her laying. FYI
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
How do you explain there not being a single contradiction in the Bible? Certain books are hundreds and hundreds of years older than other books, but everything still lines up. Every prophecy in the Old Testament game true in the New.
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It is a pretty good story. Hopefully George R.R. Martin's successors will continue his saga with such continuity.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
First, I have never said that you needed God to live a moral life. That is where rooster or whatever his name is was misrepresenting me. Just that you have no reason to because without God morality is simply your opinion and nothing more.

But anyways, usually agnosticism means that you are skeptical but unsure. You're not an atheist in that you do not deny that there is no God, there could be, but you just don't know. That is the typical definition of agnosticism.

I just find it interesting that I have never met or read an agnostic who lives and thinks as though it is likely that God does exist. Usually they are atheists who, for some reason, decide to say agnostic. I just don't know why they don't just claim atheism when their lives and thinking reflect atheism and not the possibility that God exists.

So, if as you said in the post I quoted, you believe that God was made up, you're an atheist, and not an agnostic imo.
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The vast majority of agnostics that I know, and there are not that many of them, are not "atheists in disguise." That is a really, really poor characterization and as much research and learning as you have on this subject, is pretty lazy, IMO.
 
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VolunteerVandiver said:
This is a very tough subject, as I know a few gay people, one of which is an uncle I adore.

He is incredibly giving, loving, and has strong moral values. When you talk to him about it, he says that he was born that way, as he has never been attracted to a woman in his life.

He has no reason to lie about this, and in his defense, I have never been attracted to a man before.

I have taught my son that people have genetic predispositions to being homosexual or bisexual, but that doesn't diminish their value as people, and to treat everyone the way you want to be treated.

No, my children haven't grown up in a religious household, but they have been exposed to empathy and unconditional love. They have been taught to be good for the sake of being good. They are not judgemental, as they are very accepting of those that are different from them.

The world needs more love and affective empathy, and less judgement and division.
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If a person is gay I won't treat them any different. Doesn't mean I'm going to accept their lifestyle, because I won't.The word tells us that it's sinful to be gay. That's all I need to go on.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Unless He's telling the truth as confirmed by His resurrection. He is either "a liar, a lunatic, or Lord" -C.S. Lewis.

You can't say that you don't believe what He said and then say that you admire Him as a teacher. If He wasn't telling the truth He was either a liar or a lunatic, not someone to be admired.
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You absolutely can say that. You can admire someone without believing everything that they purport. Do you mean that only Christians can truly appreciate and admire Jesus?
 
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bignewt said:
That is a very convenient thrust. Be ready cause the rapture is coming but we don't know when...but soon. Definitely soon.
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I mean, I don't know what to tell you. This is what the Bible teaches and anticipates objections to it:

"This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." 2nd Peter 3:1-10
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
And I'd have raised back from the dead, and traveled back to the states to find Newt so I could beat the breaks off of him for being a coward
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you say coward i say not dying for a lie perpetuated by a corrupt government.

you would be stupid for doing it, and dead.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
On many issues people make a mistake in saying that this or that is simply an opinion, when it's not. Many moral issues are written about in God's word. Such as homosexuality, fornication, etc. When someone says it's a sin to be gay, that's not an opinion. It's what we're told in the Bible.
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Do you love homosexuals? Because the Bible also says to hate the sin but love the sinner.
 
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drvenner said:
The vast majority of agnostics that I know, and there are not that many of them, are not "atheists in disguise." That is a really, really poor characterization and as much research and learning as you have on this subject, is pretty lazy, IMO.
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You like to make these claims a lot, but you never explain them. But you make them and move on. I find that interesting.
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
If a person is gay I won't treat them any different. Doesn't mean I'm going to accept their lifestyle, because I want. The word tells us that it's sinful to be gay. That's all I need to go on.
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That is fair and your prerogative.

Another poster touched on it, and I have struggled as a parent on how should I approach this with my kids. Just wanted to share my conclusion.
 
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