To Protect and to Serve II

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orangeblood79 said:
I've been around and done the job long enough now to have a qualified opinion on it. I will say this, however, good officers screw up too. My Sergeant is someone whose opinion I take seriously, as he's been on the job and in the street 16 years longer than I have. About 3 months ago we had an incident that he described as the most intense situation he'd been in, in all of his years of service.

Long story short, me and at least 5 other officers, whom I work with and would trust with my life, could have (justifably) shot and killed a man we knew to be wanted for kidnapping 3 children (they had already been returned safe).

I've had my gun out countless amounts of times but that was the first time I had my finger on the trigger and damn near pulled...all I was waiting for was someone to say "Gun!" Thankfully, he decided he against whatever it was he was reaching for and, instead, took off in his car. He got away after we terminated the pursuit due to weather conditions on the road. He was caught the next day by U.S. Marshalls.

I don't know to this day if he was armed or not. What I do know is that every single officer there is a good man, well trained, smart, and trustworthy. We each could have pulled the trigger and have been justified in doing so, given the totality of the circumstances (the guy had FB posts indicating he was going to suicide by cop). We didn't but, had we, we would have been scrutinized as being poorly trained, undisciplined, trigger happy cops.

It comes with the territory and, I'm fine with that but, no matter the outcome, we would have been vilified as "bad cops" by some, no matter what details came to light.

That's the job. And I love it.
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This is why I couldn't be a cop. I'd shoot without hesitation anybody who hurt or messed with a kid.
 
#5,678
#5,678
orangeblood79 said:
I've been around and done the job long enough now to have a qualified opinion on it. I will say this, however, good officers screw up too. My Sergeant is someone whose opinion I take seriously, as he's been on the job and in the street 16 years longer than I have. About 3 months ago we had an incident that he described as the most intense situation he'd been in, in all of his years of service.

Long story short, me and at least 5 other officers, whom I work with and would trust with my life, could have (justifably) shot and killed a man we knew to be wanted for kidnapping 3 children (they had already been returned safe).

I've had my gun out countless amounts of times but that was the first time I had my finger on the trigger and damn near pulled...all I was waiting for was someone to say "Gun!" Thankfully, he decided he against whatever it was he was reaching for and, instead, took off in his car. He got away after we terminated the pursuit due to weather conditions on the road. He was caught the next day by U.S. Marshalls.

I don't know to this day if he was armed or not. What I do know is that every single officer there is a good man, well trained, smart, and trustworthy. We each could have pulled the trigger and have been justified in doing so, given the totality of the circumstances (the guy had FB posts indicating he was going to suicide by cop). We didn't but, had we, we would have been scrutinized as being poorly trained, undisciplined, trigger happy cops.

It comes with the territory and, I'm fine with that but, no matter the outcome, we would have been vilified as "bad cops" by some, no matter what details came to light.

That's the job. And I love it.
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Not by me. What I consider a bad cop are the ones who take it upon themselves to teach someone a lesson. There was a video someone posted a few years back where a cop is hovering over a guy ordering him to roll over. Each time he repeated the command he would punch the guy in the face. Completely unnecessary. There's no reason he couldn't have rolled the guy over and put the cuffs on.

The cop in Arizona that shot a guy who was on his hands and knees begging for his life. It was obvious to everyone that this guy is no threat. He wasn't acting as a cop at that moment. He was a hunter, and the poor guy begging was his prey.

I'd just like to see some accountability for these things. Just once, when one of these guys lets his anger management issues get the best of him, I'd like to see a couple of the good cops on the scene arrest the bad cop for assault and battery. I'd like to see a conviction when the video evidence is clear.
 
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#5,681
You may have seen the footage of cops punching this little woman at the Jersey shore, it's been circulating social media. Well the body cam footage has been released and surprise, surprise, it does not support the cops' claim that the woman spat and kicked at them.

"He punched her in the face," the friend tells the officers. "Well, she tried to kick at us, so that's it," the officer with the camera responds.

"She tried walking away from me," he says. "I tried grabbing her, she tried kicking at us, so I slammed her to the ground . . . I hit her a couple of times and put her in cuffs."
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Say she did kick at them, why is there escalation of violence? There is no need to have multiple men hold her down and bust her in the face. They are such ***** cowards.

Bodycam footage of cop punching woman on N.J. beach fails to show she kicked officer in groin (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT) - NY Daily News
 
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n_huffhines said:
You may have seen the footage of cops punching this little woman at the Jersey shore, it's been circulating social media. Well the body cam footage has been released and surprise, surprise, it does not support the cops' claim that the woman spat and kicked at them.



Say she did kick at them, why is there escalation of violence? There is no need to have multiple men hold her down and bust her in the face. They are such ***** cowards.

Bodycam footage of cop punching woman on N.J. beach fails to show she kicked officer in groin (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT) - NY Daily News
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Shockingly, GMA admitted the girl struck at the officer, briefly causing his body camera to shut off. Should she had been punched in the head? No. Should she had an open container of alcohol on the beach and be drinking underage? No. Should she had given her last name when asked multiple times? Why not? Should she have resisted arrest? I'd say no. But yes, the officer overstepped when punching her.
 
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CABVOL said:
Shockingly, GMA admitted the girl struck at the officer, briefly causing his body camera to shut off. Should she had been punched in the head? No. Should she had an open container of alcohol on the beach and be drinking underage? No. Should she had given her last name when asked multiple times? Why not? Should she have resisted arrest? I'd say no. But yes, the officer overstepped when punching her.
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If we didn't live in a police state, none of this would have happened.

BTW, she said it was unopened and she passed two breathalyzer tests.
 
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malinoisvol said:
The way the TBI presented this in an emergency text yesterday, not once, but twice, almost had my blood boiling.
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I couldn’t help but wonder why we don’t see the same response when a non LEO is killed. Wouldn’t catching those killers be just as important?
 
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CABVOL said:
Shockingly, GMA admitted the girl struck at the officer, briefly causing his body camera to shut off. Should she had been punched in the head? No. Should she had an open container of alcohol on the beach and be drinking underage? No. Should she had given her last name when asked multiple times? Why not? Should she have resisted arrest? I'd say no. But yes, the officer overstepped when punching her.
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So wait, all this over an open container?
 
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volfanjustin said:
didn't they say it was an accident? Can't remember but seems I heard that.

How is the Malinois doing?
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Here are the two text we received yesterday. They could not have been any less informative. An alleged armed and dangerous murderer hopped up on meth and on the loose... for **** sake, at least give us the last known location!

The Malinois is the center of the universe. Lol (at least in her little mind:))
 

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Cdywolfe said:
I couldn’t help but wonder why we don’t see the same response when a non LEO is killed. Wouldn’t catching those killers be just as important?
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I'd explain it, but that would set me up to be branded as a person that thinks cops aren't heroes.
 
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malinoisvol said:
Here are the two text we received yesterday. They could not have been any less informative. An alleged armed and dangerous murderer hopped up on meth and on the loose... for **** sake, at least give us the last known location!

The Malinois is the center of the universe. Lol (at least in her little mind:))
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Yea was very odd

I understand that for sure
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I couldn’t help but wonder why we don’t see the same response when a non LEO is killed. Wouldn’t catching those killers be just as important?
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Yes, as long as they limited it to certain area codes. If not, my battery would be dead 24/7. Sad
 
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n_huffhines said:
You may have seen the footage of cops punching this little woman at the Jersey shore, it's been circulating social media. Well the body cam footage has been released and surprise, surprise, it does not support the cops' claim that the woman spat and kicked at them.



Say she did kick at them, why is there escalation of violence? There is no need to have multiple men hold her down and bust her in the face. They are such ***** cowards.

Bodycam footage of cop punching woman on N.J. beach fails to show she kicked officer in groin (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT) - NY Daily News
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Insanity.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I couldn’t help but wonder why we don’t see the same response when a non LEO is killed. Wouldn’t catching those killers be just as important?
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Passed through Dickson/Highway 46 and there were sheriff cars from Cumberland, Rutherford and Coffee Counties over there last night and several other groups mixed in this afternoon. About a quarter mile long caravan of troopers and sheriff deputy vehicles on both sides of the road with their blue lights flaring. A total spectacle.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You may have seen the footage of cops punching this little woman at the Jersey shore, it's been circulating social media. Well the body cam footage has been released and surprise, surprise, it does not support the cops' claim that the woman spat and kicked at them.



Say she did kick at them, why is there escalation of violence? There is no need to have multiple men hold her down and bust her in the face. They are such ***** cowards.

Bodycam footage of cop punching woman on N.J. beach fails to show she kicked officer in groin (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT) - NY Daily News
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Dear lord, there was absolutely no reason at all to punch her like that.
 
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