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jakez4ut said:
his version of what faith in Christ is. that was the message. Baptists...going to hell. Catholics...going to hell. Methodists...yep, hell. and of course, non christian religions...hell.

Christians can't even decide which version of Christianity is the right one.
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That’s not true at all. There are many different denominations that would refer to each other as brothers. Our differences are very minor. We agree on the gospel and the non negotiables.

But again, your issue is not with me or with baptists or Catholics or whoever. What did Jesus mean when He said He was the only way? You can believe that or not, but that is what Christ taught.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
That’s not true at all. There are many different denominations that would refer to each other as brothers. Our differences are very minor. We agree on the gospel and the non negotiables.

But again, your issue is not with me or with baptists or Catholics or whoever. What did Jesus mean when He said He was the only way? You can believe that or not, but that is what Christ taught.
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The Church of Christ would not agree with this. If you differ from their interpretation you are not truly saved. An example of this difference in biblical interpretation is the necessity of baptism. They believe if you aren’t baptized you aren’t “saved”. Point blank
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I’m not tracking here. Forgive me. Are you saying that we live in a religious reality as I have said, but that we don’t care about truth or fellow man?
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Im saying our religious reality has people believing their truth is the only truth, hence no regard for their fellow man who does not share their beliefs, leading to war and death of innocents.
 
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roosterjbh said:
The Church of Christ would not agree with this. If you differ from their interpretation you are not truly saved. An example of this difference in biblical interpretation is the necessity of baptism. They believe if you aren’t baptized you aren’t “saved”. Point blank
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Don't catholics believe that?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
That’s not true at all. There are many different denominations that would refer to each other as brothers. Our differences are very minor. We agree on the gospel and the non negotiables.

But again, your issue is not with me or with baptists or Catholics or whoever. What did Jesus mean when He said He was the only way? You can believe that or not, but that is what Christ taught.
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i had an issue with a guy that didn't know me or what my faith is/was telling me i was going to hell because i didn't go to his church.

that's just dumb. and to the point of what role religion plays in forming those types of opinions for people, is totally relevant to the points Newt and i have agreed with.

i don't have an issue with anyone, including Christ. i just don't think you have to declare yourself to a particular religion to have a relationship with him. nor do i think it's fundamentally christian for religions of any faith to practice exclusion as a basis of that faith.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
But not as truth, tho right? You’re proving my point. In your reality I said people wouldn’t care about truth. You’re willing to accept my position, but not as truth. I value truth far more than this.
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People can still care about truth and not believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. I do it everyday.
 
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bignewt said:
Don't catholics believe that?
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yes. we have all kinds of rules. but the big ones are the sacraments, each needed to get to heaven..... Baptism, confession, holy communion, Confirmation, marriage, last rights...

and they have to be done in the right order, and you h ave to do all of them. the 7th Sacrament is becoming a priest, but it's not required, thankfully. but the other 6....you have to do them.

we're big on guilt. :)
 
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jakez4ut said:
yes. we have all kinds of rules. but the big ones are the sacraments, each needed to get to heaven..... Baptism, confession, holy communion, Confirmation, marriage, last rights...

and they have to be done in the right order, and you h ave to do all of them. the 7th Sacrament is becoming a priest, but it's not required, thankfully. but the other 6....you have to do them.

we're big on guilt. :)
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but you also have confession which is a nice way to wipe the board clean.
 
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roosterjbh said:
The Church of Christ would not agree with this. If you differ from their interpretation you are not truly saved. An example of this difference in biblical interpretation is the necessity of baptism. They believe if you aren’t baptized you aren’t “saved”. Point blank
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This is true. I did not say every church that calls itself Christian agrees on everything. Mormons call themselves Christian and they do not believe anything near the orthodox position of Christ.

This is where serious bible study has to be done to determine the truth. But just because people disagree does not mean that there is no truth or that truth can never be known. If this were the case we could never know anything.
 
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bignewt said:
Don't catholics believe that?
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Nope. While Catholicism places an importance on baptism(and they recognize baptism by other denominations), they also believe in a concept called "baptism by desire". And baptism by desire is for all non-christians who don't know the Bible but still follow his will through their conscience etc.
 
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Baptism of desire (Latin: Baptismus flaminis) is a teaching of the Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church and Roman Catholic Church explaining that those who desire baptism, but are not baptized with water through the Christian Sacrament because of death, nevertheless receive the fruits of Baptism at the moment of death if their grace of conversion included "divine and catholic faith", an internal act of perfect charity, and perfect contrition by which their soul was cleansed of all sin.

good grief.
 
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BJHSVol said:
Nope. While Catholicism places an importance on baptism(and they recognize baptism by other denominations), they also believe in a concept called "baptism by desire". And baptism by desire is for all non-christians who don't know the Bible but still follow his will through their conscience etc.
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edit: whoops, i misread it.
 
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bignewt said:
Baptism of desire (Latin: Baptismus flaminis) is a teaching of the Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church and Roman Catholic Church explaining that those who desire baptism, but are not baptized with water through the Christian Sacrament because of death, nevertheless receive the fruits of Baptism at the moment of death if their grace of conversion included "divine and catholic faith", an internal act of perfect charity, and perfect contrition by which their soul was cleansed of all sin.

good grief.
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That’s not in the Bible. Just sayin.
 
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bignewt said:
Im saying our religious reality has people believing their truth is the only truth, hence no regard for their fellow man who does not share their beliefs, leading to war and death of innocents.
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That’s not fair and is a massive over generalization. I am a Christian and I’m not trying nor do I want to hurt or kill you.

Regard for fellow man is seen in the massive amounts of care That Christians give to the world every year. There are Christian missionaries all over the world not only preaching the gospel but providing food, health care, clothing, they are taking care of orphans and the sick and homeless.

I’m showing my care to you right now. Even though you may not think so, I’m talking with you right now because I care about you. If I didn’t I wouldn’t bother. But because I believe that Christ is the only way, I want you to know Him.

I’m not doing this out of arrogance or to pick a fight. I’m doing this because I’m hoping one day someone else will come into your life to follow up on his conversation that we are having today and that you might believe it and be saved. It is my prayer for you.

Are there religions causing pain and suffering in the world? Yes. Have professing Christians done evil in the past? Yes. But that doesn’t change the truth. As I said, sinful men will sin.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i had an issue with a guy that didn't know me or what my faith is/was telling me i was going to hell because i didn't go to his church.

that's just dumb. and to the point of what role religion plays in forming those types of opinions for people, is totally relevant to the points Newt and i have agreed with.

i don't have an issue with anyone, including Christ. i just don't think you have to declare yourself to a particular religion to have a relationship with him. nor do i think it's fundamentally christian for religions of any faith to practice exclusion as a basis of that faith.
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To say it is a particular church is dumb. But to Christ? No. Christ was exclusive. How can I be anymore Christian than by imitating Christ?
 
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bignewt said:
People can still care about truth and not believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. I do it everyday.
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If the question is about what is the better movie or some trivial matter, then sure. But we are talking about eternal matters.

If an atheist and a Christian are sitting in a room and the Christian congratulates him on his atheism, then he doesn’t care about truth and he doesn’t care about the atheist sitting next to him.

If a Christian and a Muslim are sitting together. The Christian believes that faith in Christ is the only way to heaven. Anyone who rejects Christ will die in their sins and face the judgment of God. The Muslim does not believe that Christ is the Messiah, he doesn’t believe that Christ was crucified and certainly doesn’t believe that He was resurrected. He believes that the Christian will face judgement from Allah when he dies. But they’re going to sit there and congratulate each other for believing two contradictory ideas which they believe will lead the other to judgment?
 
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roosterjbh said:
The Church of Christ would not agree with this. If you differ from their interpretation you are not truly saved. An example of this difference in biblical interpretation is the necessity of baptism. They believe if you aren’t baptized you aren’t “saved”. Point blank
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Ugh! I wasn’t going to get involved this time around with this discussion until this last comment. I am a member of the Church of Christ. I am going to try and stay out of this discussion as much as possible, because many here already know my viewpoints and beliefs, since we have had this discussion numerous times. The one thing I will comment on is the necessity for baptism to be saved. Mark 16:16 is crystal clear; Acts 2:38 is crystal clear; Romans 6, the numerous conversions to Christianity in the New Testament using baptism (Saul/Paul, Ethiopian eunuch, Cornelius to name a few) are all crystal clear that baptism is a necessary part to obtain salvation. However, that’s not the only thing...confession and repentance of your sins(which means there are many things in your walk of life that you have to completely change and turn away from, in order to truly repent); remaining faithful until death, living a life that reflects Christ (after all, Christian means Christ-like). I hope this helps with any misunderstanding you may have of the necessity of baptism.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If the question is about what is the better movie or some trivial matter, then sure. But we are talking about eternal matters.

You are talking about eternal matters I am talking about peace and tolerance.

If an atheist and a Christian are sitting in a room and the Christian congratulates him on his atheism, then he doesn’t care about truth and he doesn’t care about the atheist sitting next to him.

A Christian does not have to congratulate him but could debate him or have a discussion with mutual respect without feeling the need to save his soul.

If a Christian and a Muslim are sitting together. The Christian believes that faith in Christ is the only way to heaven. Anyone who rejects Christ will die in their sins and face the judgment of God. The Muslim does not believe that Christ is the Messiah, he doesn’t believe that Christ was crucified and certainly doesn’t believe that He was resurrected. He believes that the Christian will face judgement from Allah when he does. But they’re going to sit there and congratulate each other for believing two contradictory ideas which they believe will lead the other to judgment?

No they will kill each other and why? Because of their beliefs.
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I responded inside your post.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If the question is about what is the better movie or some trivial matter, then sure. But we are talking about eternal matters.

If an atheist and a Christian are sitting in a room and the Christian congratulates him on his atheism, then he doesn’t care about truth and he doesn’t care about the atheist sitting next to him.

If a Christian and a Muslim are sitting together. The Christian believes that faith in Christ is the only way to heaven. Anyone who rejects Christ will die in their sins and face the judgment of God. The Muslim does not believe that Christ is the Messiah, he doesn’t believe that Christ was crucified and certainly doesn’t believe that He was resurrected. He believes that the Christian will face judgement from Allah when he does. But they’re going to sit there and congratulate each other for believing two contradictory ideas which they believe will lead the other to judgment?
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no, they'll likely fight to the death, crusade style......:):eek:lol:
 
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