Josh Dobbs (merged)

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

How about you stop talking about HoF and I'll stop talking about carries? Probably not though. Comparing it to shots in a basketball game is just more proof that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Fact is, no HoF RB has gotten there averaging 7.5 carries per game. He's a talented player but if he starts getting a full work load, the body takes a toll and the production naturally drops on a per carry basis. The amount of carries a back gets is important and if you don't understand why, you might as well go back to trying to judge players by how manly they look.

I already had this song and dance with KBVol. If Alvin replicates his stats from his rookie year for another 9 years, he'll be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer as he'll be top 10 all-time in yards from scrimmage and top 5 all-time in TDs.

Alvin doesn't need a lot of carries to have SUPERSTAR production. That is what makes him so amazing. He had more yards from scrimmage than Mark Ingram on far fewer carries. That sort of efficiency is a plus not a negative.

What you are essentially doing is trying to disparage a basketball player who scores more points than his teammate on far fewer shots. What sense does that make? Alvin's incredible efficiency is a plus not a negative.

Alvin doesn't have to change anything to be a future Hall of Famer. He can keep doing what he last year for another 9 years and be a no-brainer first ballot Hall of Famer.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I already had this song and dance with KBVol. If Alvin replicates his stats from his rookie year for another 9 years, he'll be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer as he'll be top 10 all-time in yards from scrimmage and top 5 all-time in TDs.

Alvin doesn't need a lot of carries to have SUPERSTAR production. That is what makes him so amazing. He had more yards from scrimmage than Mark Ingram on far fewer carries. That sort of efficiency is a plus not a negative.

What you are essentially doing is trying to disparage a basketball player who scores more points than his teammate on far fewer shots. What sense does that make? Alvin's incredible efficiency is a plus not a negative.

Alvin doesn't have to change anything to be a future Hall of Famer. He can keep doing what he last year for another 9 years and be a no-brainer first ballot Hall of Famer.

So wait...you use cases of players having great rookie and second years and then flaming out as examples, yet then turn around and assume YOUR prediction won't do that?

This is hilarious.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So wait...you use cases of players having great rookie and second years and then flaming out as examples, yet then turn around and assume YOUR prediction won't do that?

This is hilarious.

That's because I don't use stats to judge players. I use my eye test.

I know based on what I saw that Kamara is the real deal.

 

[TDawg]

That's because I don't use stats to judge players. I use my eye test.

I know based on what I saw that Kamara is the real deal.

You're cross eyed and you're not good with faces. You get a low percentage of any of this right. You never accept reality. You come out with "I said I was wrong about Dak Prescott" but you never come out and say you're wrong about others and we can list them in droves (Bosa-you were wrong, Goff-you were wrong, Hogan, Taylor, Kaaya, and many others if we wanted to go back through years of nutty posts).

 

[VolsSportsFan]

That's because I don't use stats to judge players. I use my eye test.

I know based on what I saw that Kamara is the real deal.

I already had this song and dance with KBVol. If Alvin replicates his stats from his rookie year for another 9 years, he'll be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer as he'll be top 10 all-time in yards from scrimmage and top 5 all-time in TDs.

Try to keep your bull**** straight troll.

 

[BearCat204]

Alvin doesn't need a lot of carries to have SUPERSTAR production. That is what makes him so amazing. He had more yards from scrimmage than Mark Ingram on far fewer carries. That sort of efficiency is a plus not a negative.

Factually incorrect. You say "far fewer carries" which I am intepreting running the ball and in that category, Mark Ingram was much more productive.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Brady has the eyes of a killer.

Aaron Hernandez eyes?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Try to keep your bull**** straight troll.

You're confused as to my argument. I used stats in that part to show that even according to the standards the journalists use that vote on the Hall of Fame (i.e. stats) that Alvin Kamara if he replicated his rookie season going forward would be a first ballot Hall of Famer. That's totally different than the standard I use when I'm judging talent.

I've made this distinction clear a million times and yet you guys keep making silly posts like this.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You're cross eyed and you're not good with faces. You get a low percentage of any of this right. You never accept reality. You come out with "I said I was wrong about Dak Prescott" but you never come out and say you're wrong about others and we can list them in droves (Bosa-you were wrong, Goff-you were wrong, Hogan, Taylor, Kaaya, and many others if we wanted to go back through years of nutty posts).

Dak Prescott is the real deal. Goff is fool's gold. And I'm in wait and see mode on Bosa.

One lucky season means nothing. Just look at RG3 and Vince Young.

 

[Burger]

Dak Prescott is the real deal. Goff is fool's gold. And I'm in wait and see mode on Bosa.

One lucky season means nothing. Just look at RG3 and Vince Young.

Goff, RG3, and Vince Young are all different players.

 

[hndog609]

Dak Prescott is the real deal. Goff is fool's gold. And I'm in wait and see mode on Bosa.

One lucky season means nothing. Just look at RG3 and Vince Young.

The transitive property among individuals is saved only for idiots. Goff is gonna do what Goff is gonna do...nobody else matters. Besides, Goff bettered RG3/Young's performances by a significant margin.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The transitive property among individuals is saved only for idiots. Goff is gonna do what Goff is gonna do...nobody else matters. Besides, Goff bettered RG3/Young's performances by a significant margin.

Goff also had far better talent around him. Just know I'm predicting the Rams to make the Super Bowl next year even with a substandard QB.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Goff, RG3, and Vince Young are all different players.

True. Busts come in many different forms. Some bust because of injury (RG3), others bust because of immaturity (Vince Young), and others just because they are not good at football (Jared Goff).

My pro comp for Jared Goff before the draft was Matt Cassell. And like Matt Cassell he'll be nothing more than a backup caliber QB in a few years. He had his lucky season last year like Cassell did in 2008 when he took over for an injured Tom Brady and had all that talent and elite coaching around him in New England. Once Cassell left that environment, he regressed to the player he always was.

Look for Goff to regress once the Rams have to start paying their elite players like Aaron Donald and Todd Gurley. Then they won't have all this overwhelming talent surrounding him and he'll be exposed as the backup caliber QB that he is.

 

[Burger]

True. Busts come in many different forms. Some bust because of injury (RG3), others bust because of immaturity (Vince Young), and others just because they are not good at football (Jared Goff).

My pro comp for Jared Goff before the draft was Matt Cassell. And like Matt Cassell he'll be nothing more than a backup caliber QB in a few years. He had his lucky season last year like Cassell did in 2008 when he took over for an injured Tom Brady and had all that talent and elite coaching around him in New England. Once Cassell left that environment, he regressed to the player he always was.

Look for Goff to regress once the Rams have to start paying their elite players like Aaron Donald and Todd Gurley. Then they won't have all this overwhelming talent surrounding him and he'll be exposed as the backup caliber QB that he is.

I think Goff will do just fine. He has way more arm talent than Matt Cassell.

You're also touting someone who looks like Jamarcus Russell as elite.. So... You also love Vince Young with Lamar Jackson. I don't see much of a difference except Jackson is faster, and Young was bigger.

Pocket QBs will often fail because of the David Carr effect of taking way too many sacks. If you have the instincts, accuracy, and awareness, a good arm will succeed. This is where Dobbs always had problems. His pocket instincts as a passer were not good at Tennessee.

 

[volsarelife1]

Goff also had far better talent around him. Just know I'm predicting the Rams to make the Super Bowl next year even with a substandard QB.

That's really not going out on a limb especially with all their off season moves. You're definitely not the only one before you try and act like a genius.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I think Goff will do just fine. He has way more arm talent than Matt Cassell.

You're also touting someone who looks like Jamarcus Russell as elite.. So... You also love Vince Young with Lamar Jackson. I don't see much of a difference except Jackson is faster, and Young was bigger.

Pocket QBs will often fail because of the David Carr effect of taking way too many sacks. If you have the instincts, accuracy, and awareness, a good arm will succeed. This is where Dobbs always had problems. His pocket instincts as a passer were not good at Tennessee.

False. Dobbs pocket instincts were amazing. Second to nine honestly. He just played behind the worst offensive line in the FBS and his receivers weren't that good at getting separation.

Just wait till he plays in the NFL. You'll be kicking yourself for ever doubting his passing ability.

Josh Dobbs will be an elite passer in the NFL. I'm confident he will lead the NFL in passing TDs one year.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

That's really not going out on a limb especially with all their off season moves. You're definitely not the only one before you try and act like a genius.

I know. But we've seen super teams flop a lot in the NFL. I think this Rams team will be different.

Though I expect the Saints to be a tough test.

 

[hndog609]

Goff also had far better talent around him. Just know I'm predicting the Rams to make the Super Bowl next year even with a substandard QB.

One of your primary blatherings about Dobbs going to the Steelers was his being surrounded by elite talent. There's not a chance in hell anybody is going to buy this argument...if Goff keeps playing well that's the reality you're going to live with. If he doesn't then so be it.

It's bad enough how much scrambling to qualify/ignore your many failed predictions about what would occur takes place but be assured nothing makes you look worse than trying to "unhappen" what has demonstrably happened.

 

[Burger]

False. Dobbs pocket instincts were amazing. Second to nine honestly. He just played behind the worst offensive line in the FBS and his receivers weren't that good at getting separation.

Just wait till he plays in the NFL. You'll be kicking yourself for ever doubting his passing ability.

Josh Dobbs will be an elite passer in the NFL. I'm confident he will lead the NFL in passing TDs one year.

There were so many plays during Dobbs' Junior and senior year where the open receiver was jumping around for the ball and Dobbs never saw him. Dobbs is one of the best I've seen at knowing when to tuck it and go, but when he couldn't tuck and go he made bad decisions.

The thing is the last two paragraphs are filler because I don't believe the authority you're giving yourself. What makes you distasteful is your hubris, not your insane predictions.

 

[TDawg]

False. Dobbs pocket instincts were amazing. Second to nine honestly. He just played behind the worst offensive line in the FBS and his receivers weren't that good at getting separation.

Just wait till he plays in the NFL. You'll be kicking yourself for ever doubting his passing ability.

Josh Dobbs will be an elite passer in the NFL. I'm confident he will lead the NFL in passing TDs one year.

So it's the OLs fault, the WRs fault, the coaches fault, the fans fault, the damn water boy's fault ... everyone else except Josh Dobbs right? Or could it possibly be that the kid was just a really good college QB who, like MANY other college QBs, has a game that doesn't translate to the NFL? I played the position in HS and have friends who are coaching QBs for a living. They don't see the "pocket instincts" you are so high on.

His ability to run was very good but you have to be a much better passer to challenge for a starting spot in the NFL.

 

[TDawg]

One of your primary blatherings about Dobbs going to the Steelers was his being surrounded by elite talent. There's not a chance in hell anybody is going to buy this argument...if Goff keeps playing well that's the reality you're going to live with. If he doesn't then so be it.

It's bad enough how much scrambling to qualify/ignore your many failed predictions about what would occur takes place but be assured nothing makes you look worse than trying to "unhappen" what has demonstrably happened.

The nail has been firmly struck on the head. Part of what made the Rams so good last year was Goff and Gurley both having better production. It's only deniable if someone is in denial.

 

[Vols4us]

I'm still stuck on how anybody that knows anything about football could not tell that Dobbs is not an NFL quality starting QB and may not ever be a quality #2. In 4 years at UT he never got any better at footwork for passes outside the hash marks, progressions or overall accuracy. If the Steelers feel they cannot coach him into being a quality #2, he's gone. Mason Rudolph is much further along in his development.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

One of your primary blatherings about Dobbs going to the Steelers was his being surrounded by elite talent. There's not a chance in hell anybody is going to buy this argument...if Goff keeps playing well that's the reality you're going to live with. If he doesn't then so be it.

It's bad enough how much scrambling to qualify/ignore your many failed predictions about what would occur takes place but be assured nothing makes you look worse than trying to "unhappen" what has demonstrably happened.

The difference is the scrub QBs that are being carried by their teammates get exposed soon enough while the studs keep getting better throughout their careers and once they are the guy taking up most of the cap space, they are able to carry the franchise.

And FYI, the Jared Goff hype ends this year. He won't have the statistical success he had last year. He will quickly be exposed as the weak link in the Rams football team.

Remember even Rex Grossman got to a Super Bowl while being awful.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

There were so many plays during Dobbs' Junior and senior year where the open receiver was jumping around for the ball and Dobbs never saw him. Dobbs is one of the best I've seen at knowing when to tuck it and go, but when he couldn't tuck and go he made bad decisions.

The thing is the last two paragraphs are filler because I don't believe the authority you're giving yourself. What makes you distasteful is your hubris, not your insane predictions.

That's a lie. Dobbs never had that much time and you know it. Look at what happened to Tennessee's offense last year when he wasn't there. He never had much time behind that awful offensive line for the lie you just posted to have been anything close to a common occurence. Maybe it happened once or twice in a season. But you know you are lying about there being "so many plays". If that was the case then why didn't Quentin Dormady or Jarrett Guarantano take advantage of all those open receivers last year?

You know what you posted is a lie.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So it's the OLs fault, the WRs fault, the coaches fault, the fans fault, the damn water boy's fault ... everyone else except Josh Dobbs right? Or could it possibly be that the kid was just a really good college QB who, like MANY other college QBs, has a game that doesn't translate to the NFL? I played the position in HS and have friends who are coaching QBs for a living. They don't see the "pocket instincts" you are so high on.

His ability to run was very good but you have to be a much better passer to challenge for a starting spot in the NFL.

Yes. Did you miss the part last year where Tennessee had the worst record in program history after winning back to back 9 win seasons?

That was entirely because Dobbs left. He covered up the flaws of the rest of the team. Just remember in 2016, with Dobbs, Tennessee was FIRST the SEC in offensive TDs and set a SCHOOL RECORD for points in a season. In 2017, without Dobbs, Tennessee was LAST in the SEC in scoring and had one of the worst offenses in the entire nation.

Josh Dobbs was the difference between 9-4 and 4-8. He made a 5 win difference. Now compare how much Tennessee suffered without him to how Clemson performed without Deshaun Watson. That should let you know just how good and valuable Josh Dobbs was in college.