'19 FL PG Tre Mann

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bleedingTNorange said:
Please link where I said that?

Just as predictable as you jumping with joy and deciding this was our clear cut #1 overall target so that you can use it to say Barnes whiffed yet again...how predictable.
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You've spent the whole afternoon arguing that we don't know where he's at on the board.
  • Took an OV
  • Clearly a priority per RL and per you
  • Turned the heat up on him during the visit. Using our connection to the assistant coach's son with the tweet.

So obvious that we really wanted this kid.

I don't need to pretend like we whiffed when we actually whiff. Watching you try to spin this recruitment is a trip.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
You've spent the whole afternoon arguing that we don't know where he's at on the board.
  • Took an OV
  • Clearly a priority per RL and per you
  • Turned the heat up on him during the visit. Using our connection to the assistant coach's son with the tweet.

So obvious that we really wanted this kid.

I don't need to pretend like we whiffed when we actually whiff. Watching you try to spin this recruitment is a trip.
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Ahh so I never said what you said I did, I believe that’s twice so far today you’ve tried to tell me what I mean...something you b!tch at everyone else for doing to you, classy.

Let me try to make this simple...Tennessee absolutely wanted Mann, and would’ve taken a commitment from him. Tennessee also really likes KyKy Tandy, Kira Lewis and Josiah James and would’ve taken a commitment from any of those guys without knowing an answer from Mann. Not sure why you aren’t grasping this very simple concept.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
From Florida Rivals site, much different tune than what RL was saying...
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This makes it sound like he’s torn. Which is a good thing. It is frustrating to Target all of these big recruits and miss. Hopefully that ends with Mann. Pull out the big guns. Is Lofton still in the states? He could “be at the gym” if Mann comes back for a visit
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ahh so I never said what you said I did, I believe that’s twice so far today you’ve tried to tell me what I mean...something you b!tch at everyone else for doing to you, classy.
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You've spent the whole day making that argument.

Let me try to make this simple...Tennessee absolutely wanted Mann, and would’ve taken a commitment from him. Tennessee also really likes KyKy Tandy, Kira Lewis and Josiah James and would’ve taken a commitment from any of those guys without knowing an answer from Mann. Not sure why you aren’t grasping this very simple concept.
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I grasp it completely. Like I said a few posts back. You're talking as if nobody understands that concept but you.

We don't know for a fact where he fell on their board. I get that. I have a hard time believing he wasn't at the very top of the guard list or at least very near the top.

To me he seemed liked the best realistic candidate. I would move him ahead of the 1 and done types like Josiah James because it's better for UT to have a top 50 guy for 3-4 years than a top 10 guy for 1.

Regardless - it goes back to what you have said and others are starting to realize. We struggle to close.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
This makes it sound like he’s torn. Which is a good thing. It is frustrating to Target all of these big recruits and miss. Hopefully that ends with Mann. Pull out the big guns. Is Lofton still in the states? He could “be at the gym” if Mann comes back for a visit
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Those quotes are from Cousin Mike who went on the visit. Not from Mann.
 
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cncchris33 said:
How did the staff that landed Durant, Thompson, Turner, Ford, Aldridge, etc, lose that edge/touch/whatever you want to call it, almost overnight?

I can understand and appreciate how tough it must have been to overcome the perception of Tennessee basketball at the time they took over, but 3 years, an NCAA appearance as a 3 seed, and an SEC co-championship later, I would think those hurdles should be becoming fewer and fewer.

I realize you can’t just pin a kid down in your office and hold him hostage for his signature, but man alive, we just cannot land our first or second choice recruits. I’m hesitant to say we “settle”, per se, but we sure haven’t been able to land a single primary or even secondary target in any of Barnes’ 3 seasons. I really thought this class and this kid would be the one, and he still may be, but it sure doesn’t sound good in that article.
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It’s much harder to get players here than at Texas. You have three blue bloods that share borders with you in Kentucky, North Carolina, and Duke. Also you have two other programs in-state to deal with in Memphis and Vanderbilt.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
You've spent the whole day making that argument.
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Nope, not once have I said..."well we don't know if the staff liked him as much as the rest of the guys"


I grasp it completely. Like I said a few posts back. You're talking as if nobody understands that concept but you.

We don't know for a fact where he fell on their board. I get that. I have a hard time believing he wasn't at the very top of the guard list or at least very near the top.

To me he seemed liked the best realistic candidate. I would move him ahead of the 1 and done types like Josiah James because it's better for UT to have a top 50 guy for 3-4 years than a top 10 guy for 1.

Regardless - it goes back to what you have said and others are starting to realize. We struggle to close.
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As to your last sentence, never said anything to the contrary, although this one doesn’t appear done. Like I said, 3 weeks ago and Tennessee take a commitment from Mann, Tandy, Lewis or James...which imo proves Mann wasn’t clearly at the top of the list ahead of everyone else which is all I have been saying.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Nope, not once have I said..."well we don't know if the staff liked him as much as the rest of the guys"




As to your last sentence, never said anything to the contrary, although this one doesn’t appear done. Like I said, 3 weeks ago and Tennessee take a commitment from Mann, Tandy, Lewis or James...which imo proves Mann wasn’t clearly at the top of the list ahead of everyone else which is all I have been saying.
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You are literally arguing that Mann isn’t the top of the list in this post.

It’s possible to take commits from guys not at the top of the list. Bird in hand.

Hopefully Fulmer has sat these guys down and gave them a refresher course on recruiting so we don’t just work our way straight down the list and end up holding our dicks until late April.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
You are literally arguing that Mann isn’t the top of the list in this post.

It’s possible to take commits from guys not at the top of the list. Bird in hand.

Hopefully Fulmer has sat these guys down and gave them a refresher course on recruiting so we don’t just work our way straight down the list and end up holding our dicks until late April.
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BigZiti09 said:
Letting his buddy down gently possibly. I’d say rob knows where this ones headed. Just my gut.
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Very possible, but if Rob knew 100% I don’t think he makes sure to let people know 1. This isn’t from UT’s side 2. It’s a rumor 3. That Mann hasn’t committed and Tennessee maybe can get in home and regain momentum.

Much easier to just say this one is done, and Tennessee will look to ______ at the guard spot.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Very possible, but if Rob knew 100% I don’t think he makes sure to let people know 1. This isn’t from UT’s side 2. It’s a rumor 3. That Mann hasn’t committed and Tennessee maybe can get in home and regain momentum.

Much easier to just say this one is done, and Tennessee will look to ______ at the guard spot.
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I think we still have a shot but I think he’s a gator in the end and I think rob would agree.

Rob doesn’t bat 100% though so worth monitoring.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I think we still have a shot but I think he’s a gator in the end and I think rob would agree.

Rob doesn’t bat 100% though so worth monitoring.
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He also made sure to himself about 3 outs...the fact he didn’t commit and apparently won’t in the next couple days is a positive.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He also made sure to himself about 3 outs...the fact he didn’t commit and apparently won’t in the next couple days is a positive.
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I don’t think he’s saying the kid is a silent. Just that the vibe is that it’s trending their way.

I’ve got my finger crossed.

On the plus side - we aren’t taking the same approach as in years past imo. Wider net being casted in the coveted waters. I think it will pay off if we have any recruiting moxie at all.
 
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SGMVols said:
It’s much harder to get players here than at Texas. You have three blue bloods that share borders with you in Kentucky, North Carolina, and Duke. Also you have two other programs in-state to deal with in Memphis and Vanderbilt.
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I buy that excuse from the past three years, not anymore; not after the season we had.

And you think Texas didn't have competition? Kansas in conference, Texas A&M, Baylor in state.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I buy that excuse from the past three years, not anymore; not after the season we had.

And you think Texas didn't have competition? Kansas in conference, Texas A&M, Baylor in state.
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Yeah that’s not a buyable excuse even in years one and two. We don’t go head to head against blue bloods. Didn’t then. Don’t now.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I buy that excuse from the past three years, not anymore; not after the season we had.

And you think Texas didn't have competition? Kansas in conference, Texas A&M, Baylor in state.
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I agree with your first paragraph but not as much with your second. Texas A&M had a couple of elite years while Barnes was at Texas, but they are not that big of a competition against Texas in basketball. Baylor isn't either. Drew didn't have his first winning season until 2007-2008. Being born in Dallas, I know Baylor is no Texas.

Barnes was able to recruit quite a few high level instate players. TJ Ford, Daniel Gibson, and DJ Augustin were from Houston. AJ Abrams and Brad Buckman were from Austin. Aldridge was from Dallas. Damion James was from Nacogdoches, which is closer to Waco but still only 4 hours from Austin, and Drew hadn't had that winning year yet.

But it's not to minimize the job Barnes did. He parlayed these recruiting wins with his connection to Findlay Prep and Canada, which resulted in him recruiting really well.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I agree with your first paragraph but not as much with your second. Texas A&M had a few elite years while Barnes was at Texas, but they are not that big of a competition against Texas in basketball. Baylor isn't either. Drew didn't have his first winning season until 2007-2008. Being born in Dallas, I know Baylor is no Texas.

Barnes was able to recruit quite a few high level instate players. TJ Ford, Daniel Gibson, and DJ Agustin were from Houston. AJ Abrams and Brad Buckman were from Austin. Aldridge was from Dallas. Damion James was from Nacogdoches, which is closer to Waco but still only 4 hours from Austin, and Drew hadn't had that winning year yet.

But it's not to minimize the job Barnes did. He parlayed these recruiting wins with his connection to Findlay Prep and Canada, which resulted in him recruiting really well.
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So, what kind of competition have Memphis and Vandy been for Barnes and Tennessee since his arrival? Both have sucked and gone thru coaching changes, Memphis having done so twice.

A&M and Baylor were twice as competitive on the court during Barnes' time at Texas than either Memphis or Vandy have been over the past 3 years.

I'm not trying to pass A&M and Baylor off as world beaters, but OP implied we faced some significant roadblock from Vandy and Memphis in state, and that just isn't accurate, and is more of a roadblock than either Texas school is/was for U. of Texas.
 
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cncchris33 said:
So, what kind of competition have Memphis and Vandy been for Barnes and Tennessee since his arrival? Both have sucked and gone thru coaching changes, Memphis having done so twice.

A&M and Baylor were twice as competitive on the court during Barnes' time at Texas than either Memphis or Vandy have been over the past 3 years.

I'm not trying to pass A&M and Baylor off as world beaters, but OP implied we faced some significant roadblock from Vandy and Memphis in state, and that just isn't accurate, and is more of a roadblock than either Texas school is/was for U. of Texas.
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I don't agree about Memphis being a roadblock. Whether they are winning or losing, UT just can't recruit there in basketball. Just doesn't happen. Plus, I thought we might be able to take advantage with Tubby there, but the city really didn't have great talent for a couple of years.

Vandy is maybe a little different because they did get Garland. The staff decided to stay out of the Ado recruitment, and last year was not good instate.

I probably should have clarified, but I wasn't necessarily commenting on roadblocks at UT. All I can say is that A&M and Baylor weren't roadblocks for Barnes at Texas. Within 5 years, he had made a Final Four while A&M was awful, and Baylor was going through a scandal at a school that wasn't great anyway. He had it rolling by the time those schools started winning. Houston has talent and is close in distance to Austin like Nashville to Knoxville. But I would guess Houston produces more talent than Nashville, and College Station is still 1.5 hours outside Houston.

The talent just isn't close to Knoxville in basketball, and the Nashville talent does have options if good enough.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don't agree about Memphis being a roadblock. Whether they are winning or losing, UT just can't recruit there in basketball. Just doesn't happen. Plus, I thought we might be able to take advantage with Tubby there, but the city really didn't have great talent for a couple of years.

Vandy is maybe a little different because they did get Garland. The staff decided to stay out of the Ado recruitment, and last year was not good instate.

I probably should have clarified, but I wasn't necessarily commenting on roadblocks at UT. All I can say is that A&M and Baylor weren't roadblocks for Barnes at Texas. Within 5 years, he had made a Final Four while A&M was awful, and Baylor was going through a scandal at a school that wasn't great anyway. He had it rolling by the time those schools started winning. Houston has talent and is close in distance to Austin like Nashville to Knoxville. But I would guess Houston produces more talent than Nashville, and College Station is still 1.5 hours outside Houston.

The talent just isn't close to Knoxville in basketball, and the Nashville talent does have options if good enough.
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Again, I'm not attempting to oversell A&M and Baylor as hindrances. But to make Memphis and Vandy out as threats to Tennessee over the last 3 years is misrerepresentation, at best. All I'm saying is that Baylor and A&M were twice the hindrance for Texas during the Barnes era that UM and Vandy have been for Tennessee in the Barnes era. That isn't to say they were ever major roadblocks at any point, but I'm simply using the Texas schools to demonstrate the weakness of the Memphis and Vandy argument.

Tennessee doesn't even recruit the city of Memphis, so that point is null. It's a waste of time and everyone knows it.
 
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