Final batch of JFK Files released by Trump

[Rasputin_Vol]

This one I haven't heard of.

Got a link or something to peruse?

There was "Oswald" that was arrested in the back of the theater on the main level and taken out of the front, and another person that looked just like Oswald arrested in the balcony and taken out the back of the theater. A person that worked at one of the stores next to the theater had thought for 30+ years that he had seen Oswald's arrest in the back alley until he was shown the pictures of his arrest out the front door in the mid-1990s.

I could post more stuff, but it would probable be tl; dr for most people.

[Intelligence Report - Lee Harvey Oswald Arrest, November 23, 1963] - Page 1 of 2 - The Portal to Texas History

 

[1972 Grad]

So if the first shot missed, where did it go?

It hit the traffic light extension arm, ricocheted, and hit pavement or curb to the left of the limo. This is probably where the guy (Tague??) got hit in the cheek.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

This one I haven't heard of.

Got a link or something to peruse?

I've read it. Lemme think on it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It hit the traffic light extension arm, ricocheted, and hit pavement or curb to the left of the limo. This is probably where the guy (Tague??) got hit in the cheek.

And what about the shot in the windshield of the limousine?

 

[Squints]

For the skeptics:

Harvey & Lee Home Page

I haven’t read Armstong’s voluminous book, but this site gives some background to his work, and completely debunks the PMO to Klein’s, among other things.

ETA:

I haven’t investigated this enough to develop a veritable opinion, but it is indeed compelling. I’m neither asking nor expecting anyone to adopt the “LEE” and “HARVEY” line, only to review the site and embedded links, and use your damn noggins. Primarily, pay attention to the PMO, DPD/FBI/WC depositions, bus/taxi ride to Oak Cliff, Tippit’s movements, Baker and Truly, and other TSBD employees.

As I’ve said before, someone, anyone, place LHO (if you subscribe to the “LEE/HARVEY” angle, I’m speaking of HARVEY... but whatever you think, the one gunned down by Ruby) in the 6th floor window. I’ve said this, I believe, three times now, but no one has placed him there......

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

For the skeptics:

Harvey & Lee Home Page

I haven’t read Armstong’s voluminous book, but this site gives some background to his work, and completely debunks the PMO to Klein’s, among other things.

The "Harvey" and "Lee" angle is too much for most people to wrap their heads around.

 

[1972 Grad]

And what about the shot in the windshield of the limousine?

Several people that examined the limo said that there was no hole, but a crack in the windshield from the inside. It was laminated safety glass which are 2 layers of glass with a film between.

The crack was probably caused by a bullet fragment exiting either Kennedy, Connely, or both.. Apparently the back side of the inside rearview mirror was dented too. The fragment could have cracked the windshield and bounced off the back of the mirror.

Go to youtube and view "JFK Assassination: Analysis of two frames. It shows the 2 frames before and after the head shot. It is obvious that the shot came from behind.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The crack was probably caused by a bullet fragment exiting either Kennedy, Connely, or both.. Apparently the back side of the inside rearview mirror was dented too. The fragment could have cracked the windshield and bounced off the back of the mirror.

To make it easy on yourself, don't assume that this bullet went through both. The Warren Commission didn't even use that trajectory for the magic bullet.

Pick one, did it go through JFK or Connerly (allegedly)?

 

[1972 Grad]

To make it easy on yourself, don't assume that this bullet went through both. The Warren Commission didn't even use that trajectory for the magic bullet.

Pick one, did it go through JFK or Connerly (allegedly)?

Second shot went through both. Easily possible path since the front and rear seats didn't line up either vertically or horizontally. Kennedy was more outboard and higher than Connally.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Several people that examined the limo said that there was no hole, but a crack in the windshield from the inside. It was laminated safety glass which are 2 layers of glass with a film between.

People like who?

JAMES FETZER: Tampering with the limo in the JFK Altgens6

The Windshield Switch
The limo was sent to Ford its manufacturer, Ford Motor Company in Detroit, MI, on Monday, 25 November 1963, stripped down to bare metal and completely rebuilt, including replacing it with a new windshield, where the presence of the through-and-though hole was confirmed by the Ford official, George Whitaker, Sr., who had supervised its replacement, whom Doug Weldon had tracked down and interviewed.

Mr. George Whitaker, Sr., a senior manager at the Ford Motor Company’s Rouge Plant in Detroit, Michigan, told attorney (and professor of criminal justice) Doug Weldon in August of 1993, in a tape recorded conversation, that after reporting to work on Monday, 25 November 1963, he discovered the JFK limousine – a unique, one-of-a-kind item that he unequivocally identified – in the Rouge Plant’s B building, with the interior stripped out and in the process of being replaced, and with the windshield removed. He was then contacted by one of the Vice Presidents of the division for which he worked, and directed to report to the glass plant lab, immediately. After knocking on the locked door (which he found most unusual), he was let in by two of his subordinates and discovered that they were in possession of the windshield that had been removed from the JFK limousine.

They had been told to use it as a template, and to make a new windshield identical to it in shape – and to then get the new windshield back to the B building for installation in the Presidential limousine that was quickly being rebuilt. Whitaker told Weldon (quoting from the audiotape of the 1993 interview): “And the windshield had a bullet hole in it, coming from the outside through…it was a good, clean bullet hole, right straight through, from the front. And you can tell, when the bullet hits the windshield, like when you hit a rock or something, what happens? The back chips out and the front may just have a pinhole in it…this had a clean round hole in the front and fragmentation coming out the back.” Whitaker told Weldon that he eventually became superintendent of his division and was placed in charge of five plant divisions. He also told Weldon that the original windshield, with the bullet hole in it, had been broken up and scrapped – as ordered – after the new windshield had been made.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

WTF? Do you all even read what I post? I clearly stated CIA, mafia and LBJ. I only stated that there was an Israeli theory that was floating out there.

Am I typing in English or do you all just read what you assume I wrote?

I wasn't talking about this thread Ras. If memory serves, you align with the folks that say we shouldn't be such good allies with Israel, and they need to give land to the "palestinians"....which is a fictional group of people since Palestine was never a real country...they are just Arabs, Persians, not sure but I think the former...regardless they are just a bunch of Muslims who had their land sold out from underneath them in 95% of cases at the west bank and Israel border...the land owners wanted to get rich, the jews had the money...now the Arabs who never did own the land want it back
The rest of the territory in dispute was taken in the 6 day war when all the Arab countries around Israel jumped them in a surprise and unprovoked attack...and Israel b3at the sheet out of them withput our help...to the victor goes the spoils
Period. Israel should have taken more land thsn they did. They have even given some land back to Egypt...free...that they didn't have to. I dont blame them for not giving land back to Arabs who never owned it in the first place, who wish them dead, when having those locations, especially at altitude up on the hills, would enable the wpuld be terrorists to lob rockets, RPGs, etc into Israeli territory where civilians live. Never gonna happen. Mess with the bull and get the horns.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Second shot went through both. Easily possible path since the front and rear seats didn't line up either vertically or horizontally. Kennedy was more outboard and higher than Connally.

Assuming it went through both, are you telling me there were enough bullet fragments left after going through JFK and Connerly (who had bullet fragments in him afterwards) to still do the damage to the windshield?

The crack was probably caused by a bullet fragment exiting either Kennedy, Connely, or both.. Apparently the back side of the inside rearview mirror was dented too. The fragment could have cracked the windshield and bounced off the back of the mirror.

Show me the bullet fragment... this is the bullet that was supposed to have gone through JFK and Connally...

Also, explain to me how this trajectory can end up hitting the windshield...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I wasn't talking about this thread Ras. If memory serves, you align with the folks that say we shouldn't be such good allies with Israel, and they need to give land to the "palestinians"....which is a fictional group of people since Palestine was never a real country...they are just Arabs, Persians, not sure but I think the former...regardless they are just a bunch of Muslims who had their land sold out from underneath them in 95% of cases at the west bank and Israel border...the land owners wanted to get rich, the jews had the money...now the Arabs who never did own the land want it back
The rest of the territory in dispute was taken in the 6 day war when all the Arab countries around Israel jumped them in a surprise and unprovoked attack...and Israel b3at the sheet out of them withput our help...to the victor goes the spoils
Period. Israel should have taken more land thsn they did. They have even given some land back to Egypt...free...that they didn't have to. I dont blame them for not giving land back to Arabs who never owned it in the first place, who wish them dead, when having those locations, especially at altitude up on the hills, would enable the wpuld be terrorists to lob rockets, RPGs, etc into Israeli territory where civilians live. Never gonna happen. Mess with the bull and get the horns.

Their not just Muslims... not that it matters. But there are Christians in that group, as well.

 

[zeppelin128]

I like Zep's thoughts more and he should expand on that.

Plus, it shows just how irrational the left gets as each day passes.

I'll have to track down the article I read about Trump's dad being involved in the Russian and Italian mafia through a club he owned.

Not too mention Melania's illegal alien parents. Who knows that they are up to these days. Probably raping and pillaging the countryside like every other immigrant, oh wait, they aren't brown. Never mind, I strayed from the Trump narrative.

 

[1972 Grad]

Assuming it went through both, are you telling me there were enough bullet fragments left after going through JFK and Connerly (who had bullet fragments in him afterwards) to still do the damage to the windshield?



Show me the bullet fragment... this is the bullet that was supposed to have gone through JFK and Connally...

Also, explain to me how this trajectory can end up hitting the windshield...

Your drawing doesn't take into account the different seating heights, and the fact that Kennedy was not sitting directly in line with Kennedy. Also, that is just one of the 2 bullets.

The examination of the car found bullet fragments in the pass. floorboard and pass. seat. I'm not going to argue this point by point with you. I will believe what I will believe, and so will you.

I was a freshman in high school when this happened, and I have heard every crazy conspiracy theory for the last 55 years. When I actually see evidence that someone other than Oswald did it, I may change my mind.

Oswald's rifle from Oswald's place of employment. Bullet fragments in car matching bullet fired from Carcano 6.8. Whether or not someone was behind Oswald, who knows? You would think that after 55 years, there would be enough evidence to convict someone other than Oswald beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Your drawing doesn't take into account the different seating heights, and the fact that Kennedy was not sitting directly in line with Kennedy. Also, that is just one of the 2 bullets.

The examination of the car found bullet fragments in the pass. floorboard and pass. seat. I'm not going to argue this point by point with you. I will believe what I will believe, and so will you.

I was a freshman in high school when this happened, and I have heard every crazy conspiracy theory for the last 55 years. When I actually see evidence that someone other than Oswald did it, I may change my mind.

Oswald's rifle from Oswald's place of employment. Bullet fragments in car matching bullet fired from Carcano 6.8. Whether or not someone was behind Oswald, who knows? You would think that after 55 years, there would be enough evidence to convict someone other than Oswald beyond a reasonable doubt.

Dude, all you have to do is look at that picture of the bullet to know the bullet fragment story is bogus.

 

[LouderVol]

Dude, all you have to do is look at that picture of the bullet to know the bullet fragment story is bogus.

again, I don't know all the story here, but is that some special type of bullet? That doesn't even look like it has hit anything. Is it a steel/hard metal?

 

[theFallGuy]

Your drawing doesn't take into account the different seating heights, and the fact that Kennedy was not sitting directly in line with Kennedy. Also, that is just one of the 2 bullets.

The examination of the car found bullet fragments in the pass. floorboard and pass. seat. I'm not going to argue this point by point with you. I will believe what I will believe, and so will you.

I was a freshman in high school when this happened, and I have heard every crazy conspiracy theory for the last 55 years. When I actually see evidence that someone other than Oswald did it, I may change my mind.

damn you're old as fudge

 

[Grand Vol]

again, I don't know all the story here, but is that some special type of bullet? That doesn't even look like it has hit anything. Is it a steel/hard metal?

Wouldn't have mattered. Steel jacketed still would have deformed upon hitting that much stuff.

Regardless, it looks to be a copper jacketed lead projectile. Probably military surplus given the time period and the weapon used.

 

[1972 Grad]

Dude, all you have to do is look at that picture of the bullet to know the bullet fragment story is bogus.

Let me know when they find the real killer. I've been waiting almost 55 years. O.J. might be able to help. He has experience.

 

[AirVol]

This thread is better than the Warren Commission book.

Good reading fellas, keep it up.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Your drawing doesn't take into account the different seating heights, and the fact that Kennedy was not sitting directly in line with Kennedy. Also, that is just one of the 2 bullets.

OK, so you say the first shot was a miss that hit the street light, ricocheted off the curb and hit James Tague.

The second shot hit Kennedy in the back, went through his throat, went through Connally's armpit and shattered his rib, shattered a bone in his wrist, and then pieces of it remained in Connally, shattered the front windshield and pierced his leg... with the bullet being found in near pristine condition on a stretcher in Parkland Hospital.

Where is the 3rd shot?

 

[Boca Vol]

OK, so you say the first shot was a miss that hit the street light, ricocheted off the curb and hit James Tague.

The second shot hit Kennedy in the back, went through his throat, went through Connally's armpit and shattered his rib, shattered a bone in his wrist, and then pieces of it remained in Connally, shattered the front windshield and pierced his leg... with the bullet being found in near pristine condition on a stretcher in Parkland Hospital.

Where is the 3rd shot?

Not trying to answer for 72, but JFK's head?

 

[1972 Grad]

Not trying to answer for 72, but JFK's head?

That's the answer. I wasn't going to respond anymore, other than to reiterate to him that he should let me know when they find the real killer(s). I have waited for almost 55 years so far.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I am definitely not an expert, and yhave no idea who it was or why, but I have seen 3 different people from the Ford plant that said the bullethole in tyhe windshield absolutely came from the front, and that the windshield on display now is a fake...they destroyed the original under orders. Then some govt. Official admitted the new windshield is a fake. Don't know who or from where specifically, but somebody put a round thru the windshield from the front IMO.