Final batch of JFK Files released by Trump

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Any of you believe in the Alpha 66(anti-Castro paramilitary group) angle? Supposedly Oswald could have been walking towards a bus stop to use the transfer slip he received just after leaving the TSBD when he encountered Tippit.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Ras is crazier than a run over dog.

Personally, I'd love to know his thoughts on TWA800.

Probably the same as mine.

Which is kinda scary.....
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Lol. He's sharp. He's also black, and never, ever has played the "race card" or bought into the foolishness like BLM. Both of my little sisters are black, and they don't get involved in any of that crap, either. I am so tired of the media trying to divide our country on racial lines, it makes me sick. Most people, black and white, simply don't give a damn what color a person's skin is. Ras is actually a good guy. I dont agree with his criticism of the police all the time, but he's a good dude. Sadly, 1% of cops can give a black eye to the 99% that are good people. It's the nature of having a public job in the age of information...
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Lol. He's sharp. He's also black, and never, ever has played the "race card" or bought into the foolishness like BLM. Both of my little sisters are black, and they don't get involved in any of that crap, either. I am so tired of the media trying to divide our country on racial lines, it makes me sick. Most people, black and white, simply don't give a damn what color a person's skin is. Ras is actually a good guy. I dont agree with his criticism of the police all the time, but he's a good dude. Sadly, 1% of cops can give a black eye to the 99% that are good people. It's the nature of having a public job in the age of information...
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Since you know him, I'll take your word.

And I agree whole-heartedly with your position on "Black -vs- White". I am so sick of that crap. Both sides.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Any of you believe in the Alpha 66(anti-Castro paramilitary group) angle? Supposedly Oswald could have been walking towards a bus stop to use the transfer slip he received just after leaving the TSBD when he encountered Tippit.
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Oswald didn't kill Tippett.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Oswald didn't kill Tippett.
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If Oswald did kill Tippit it was because he was in the way. So where was Oswald going walking East on 10th? Was he going to someone's house or another bus stop? Once the Tippit shooting happened he went the other way to the theater.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And let me say this along that same line. I'm not sure about GHWB's involvement in the murder of JFK, but I do think that there is enough circumstantial evidence to possibly show he was involved in the attempted assassination of Reagan in 1981. IMO. Bush and his underlings were clearly in control of the White House afterwards with arms trading to Iran and funding Contras with of the books drug money... and of course the ties with the Clintons and Mena, Arkansas.
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Zapata Oil Company
Operation Zapata (aka Bay of Pigs)

Rumors of the 3 ships used in Bay of Pigs named Houston, Barbara, & Zapata

CIA Helped Bush Senior In Oil Venture - WhoWhatWhy

Classic Who: GHW Bush and the JFK Assassination - WhoWhatWhy
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Who do you think did? And why?
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The "why" first. Tippett was probably killed to make sure Oswald was the only suspect. Shoots JFK; goes home; leaves; shoots a DPD officer. Again, do some research. Tippett was way out of his assigned zone. Tippett was either supposed to kill Oswald, or was another sacrifice. Any examination of the combined Oswald / DPD / Tippett / Theatre timelines here quickly reveals that things just don't line up, at all.

As for the "who"...You can believe Win Danker, or you can take your pick from the roster of names that were known to be there. On that point, I don't know. Not that it matters.

Personally, I don't think Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired, and I think from the TSBD he made his way directly to the theatre where he had been told to go "in case anything happens". It was a setup from the start, and I think Oswald realized it when the lights came on, and he saw the DPD closing in. Listen to what he says after his arrest.

Killer? No. Confused patsy? Yes.
 
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Ok thx. I’ve never really read much on this stuff but my own casual observations over the years have always been that it conveniently cleaned up too quickly. All the public players were dead. Quickly.
 
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Now somebody tell me one last thing. Jack Ruby. How could he be trusted not to squeal? He was the last public figure. And he was there for four years before dying from lung cancer complications?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Now somebody tell me one last thing. Jack Ruby. How could he be trusted not to squeal? He was the last public figure. And he was there for four years before dying from lung cancer complications?
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No idea, but he tried to tell what portion of the truth he knew, or believed, in the public eye. Read up on his interview with the Warren Commission.

I'll leave you with this unrelated observation:

You're making a video of the 4th of July Parade in your hometown. The Governor is there, riding in the parade. You're filming his car as it passes 100 or so feet in front of you...when a high-powered rifle goes off from an elevated position 50 yards to your left.

Who doesn't flinch, and maybe instinctively pivot towards the noise?

But if you're 58 year-old dressmaker Abraham Zapruder, filming a Presidential motorcade, you stay on the car. You never flinch. You record history. Well, once it's cleaned up, the history they want you to see.

Just sayin'.

G'night all. Here endeth the lesson.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Ras and I rarely agree on anything, but he's a lot closer to the truth here than even he realizes. Wrong about the Israelis, but really close on everything else.
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I never said I buy into the Israeli conspiracy. I simply noted that there was a narrative out there.
 
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I'm no sound expert but when you're surrounded by structures on all sides, including the overpass, you have no idea where the sound is coming from. The echoes are almost as loud as the origin of the sound.

I remember being in downtown Sarasota during the 4th of July fireworks over the water and the echoes made it sound like they were coming down the street.

I don't think the ear-witnesses can be trusted.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I'm no sound expert but when you're surrounded by structures on all sides, including the overpass, you have no idea where the sound is coming from. The echoes are almost as loud as the origin of the sound.

I remember being in downtown Sarasota during the 4th of July fireworks over the water and the echoes made it sound like they were coming down the street.

I don't think the ear-witnesses can be trusted.
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GW makes a valid point on rifle report. The cartridge in question was a 6.5x52 Caracano. Not a great round but if you’re in the forward arc of the muzzle and within 50 yards you’re gonna flinch. I know I would. And I’m used to being around high powered rifles. Only reason I wouldn’t was if I was expecting it.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I agree with this. And your assessment of Ras..he is wrong about Israel but right about a whole lot more than he is usually given credit for. His opinions arent always popular, but they are usually factual. I like it when he gets started about women, and how men always get the shaft. Hilarious
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WTF? Do you all even read what I post? I clearly stated CIA, mafia and LBJ. I only stated that there was an Israeli theory that was floating out there.

Am I typing in English or do you all just read what you assume I wrote?
 
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Boca Vol said:
Any of you believe in the Alpha 66(anti-Castro paramilitary group) angle? Supposedly Oswald could have been walking towards a bus stop to use the transfer slip he received just after leaving the TSBD when he encountered Tippit.
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Again, that entire scene at 10th and Patton could be enough material for several books by itself.
 
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Boca Vol said:
If Oswald did kill Tippit it was because he was in the way. So where was Oswald going walking East on 10th? Was he going to someone's house or another bus stop? Once the Tippit shooting happened he went the other way to the theater.
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Or was he already in the theater at the time of the Tippit shooting?
 
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ajvol01 said:
Zapata Oil Company
Operation Zapata (aka Bay of Pigs)

Rumors of the 3 ships used in Bay of Pigs named Houston, Barbara, & Zapata

CIA Helped Bush Senior In Oil Venture - WhoWhatWhy

Classic Who: GHW Bush and the JFK Assassination - WhoWhatWhy
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I'm aware of this information, but I can't just bring myself to buy into that making him a player in the JFK assassination. I have to be very careful (as was just illustrated with me just mentioning that there was an Israeli theory floating around) that I don't get accused of buying into or supporting an angle without sufficient evidence... or at least a warm.fuzzy feeling about what information is out there.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
GW makes a valid point on rifle report. The cartridge in question was a 6.5x52 Caracano. Not a great round but if you’re in the forward arc of the muzzle and within 50 yards you’re gonna flinch. I know I would. And I’m used to being around high powered rifles. Only reason I wouldn’t was if I was expecting it.
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The Z film has been altered, IMO. There are frames missing from and clear splices. You can see it in the WC.

As far as Z himself, he does keep filming and there are slight flinches and blurs from the report of the rifle.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
The "why" first. Tippett was probably killed to make sure Oswald was the only suspect. Shoots JFK; goes home; leaves; shoots a DPD officer. Again, do some research. Tippett was way out of his assigned zone. Tippett was either supposed to kill Oswald, or was another sacrifice. Any examination of the combined Oswald / DPD / Tippett / Theatre timelines here quickly reveals that things just don't line up, at all.

As for the "who"...You can believe Win Danker, or you can take your pick from the roster of names that were known to be there. On that point, I don't know. Not that it matters.

Personally, I don't think Oswald was on the 6th floor when the shots were fired, and I think from the TSBD he made his way directly to the theatre where he had been told to go "in case anything happens". It was a setup from the start, and I think Oswald realized it when the lights came on, and he saw the DPD closing in. Listen to what he says after his arrest.

Killer? No. Confused patsy? Yes.
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One minor detail to correct, but he did go to the rooming house on Beckley before going to the theater, imo. So he didn't go "directly" to the theater after leaving the TSBD. That's only critical info because of him changing shirts and jacket and the presence of a squad car passing by the home apparently looking for Oswald.

David Atlee Phillips, imo, likely was his CIA handler and had him meet at the Texas Theater to wait for further instructions.

Again, I'm not saying Osawld was not involved, but there is enough evidence to say that there is a 90% chance he wasn't the shooter in the TSBD and a coin flips chance that he killed Tippet.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Now somebody tell me one last thing. Jack Ruby. How could he be trusted not to squeal?
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Dorothy Kilgallen got an interview with Ruby soon after he killed Osawld. She died before she was able to reveal what he said. Too bad her documents and papers disappeared afterwards, also.

NorthDallas40 said:
He was the last public figure. And he was there for four years before dying from lung cancer complications?
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And you do not want to go down the cancer/New Orleans rabbit hole...
 
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Boca Vol said:
I'm no sound expert but when you're surrounded by structures on all sides, including the overpass, you have no idea where the sound is coming from. The echoes are almost as loud as the origin of the sound.

I remember being in downtown Sarasota during the 4th of July fireworks over the water and the echoes made it sound like they were coming down the street.

I don't think the ear-witnesses can be trusted.
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Nevermind the witnesses then. Count the known shots fired in Dealey Plaza and get back to me.
 
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Boca Vol said:
The Z film has been altered, IMO. There are frames missing from and clear splices. You can see it in the WC.

As far as Z himself, he does keep filming and there are slight flinches and blurs from the report of the rifle.
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4 things the Zapruder film have missing:

1. The wide turn of the limo from Houston St on to Elm St
2. The bullet hole in the Stemmons Freeway sign
3. The Limo coming to a near stop
4. The rear shot (from either Malcolm Wallace in the TSBD or Charles Nicolleti in the Dal-Tex BLDG) which caused brain matter to eject straight up in the air and JFKs head to push forward just a split second before the kill shot from the front
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Oswald didn't kill Tippett.
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I would be interested to know if you have a leading suspect. I would say there is a 50% chance it was Oswald in self-defense, but then you have a rogues gallery of mafia hitmen, other Dallas PD officers and dare I say it... an Oswald doppelganger that could have done it.

The Oswald doppelganger narrative is yet another layer of confusion that I don't throw out there lightly.
 
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