Trump favorite to win Nobel prize

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n_huffhines said:
Well, once they gave it to Obama you figured it wasn't going to mean much ever again.

There hasn't been any actual significant conflict between NK and the USA in my lifetime. We've had peace for a long time. We're gonna hand out awards for changing the mood?

Meanwhile, KJU is still a domestic tyrant and Trump is bombing MFers left and right.
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Still, it kinda makes sense, if you don't think about it. Noble invented dynamite, and Trump is using explosives to calm down troublemakers. Dynamite makes a mess, and getting to peaceful is frequently messy.
 
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Septic said:
Zero chance. I don't know why anyone thinks that Kim isn't going to do what he and his fat fam have done in the past. They'll use this to buy time and concessions and continue to be shtty.
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That's exactly what I think. Rocket Man ran out of toys demonstrating how bad NK could be, so now he's doing a strategic retreat to the peace table while he restocks - it's a time honored communist custom.
 
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McDad said:
That would be nice. But NK cannot do that. Their population would decrease 95% if unified with SK. Kim will have no choice but to keep citizens in NK by force.
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Another time honored communist trait. Socialism doesn't work, and extreme socialism doesn't work worse; liberalism/socialism in the end requires totalitarianism to exist.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Wut? How? When?
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In 2013 when he intervened and prevented Obama and the UK from starting a bogus war in Syria after a chemical weapons release and again in 2015 when he sent in troops to defend Syria from ISIS and as a result, has that country back on the path of stability. 2015 in particular was more deserving because he had to suffer a downed fighter that was allegedly shot in Turkish airspace and an airliner that was shot down over Egypt. A typical American style response to either of those events would have kicked off WW III had Russia retaliated in expected fashion.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Vietnam probably not the best analogy to use... We know how that turned out. I agree with what you're saying, but a PEACE prize is not apropos.
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Vietnam ended the way it did because the politicians didn't want to go all the way for victory. Even with the election of Nixon and the bombing campaigns, the war was unwinnable by 1968. We won the battles, but ultimately lost the war because politicians didn't want to go all the way with an invasion of the North. Anyway...

If by standing up to a threatening dictator brings him to the peace table without bloodshed, that's a worthy accomplishment that should be considered.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
When it comes to self-agrandizing, he's totally predictable.
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Remember he has 90% of the media working against him everyday and giving him credit for nothing. Actually worse, they highlight every mistake and low light every accomplishment. They hate it when he does something for the American people. I am curious to see how they will get around this huge accomplishment. You can say what you want, Chinese did it, SK President, Russians helped but none of this would have happened with a political president in office.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Remember he has 90% of the media working against him everyday and giving him credit for nothing. Actually worse, they highlight every mistake and low light every accomplishment. They hate it when he does something for the American people. I am curious to see how they will get around this huge accomplishment. You can say what you want, Chinese did it, SK President, Russians helped but none of this would have happened with a political president in office.
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Dude. You're parroting Fox. Here's reality. CNN story from yesterday:

Trump deserves credit for Korean thaw
 
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Grand Vol said:
Vietnam ended the way it did because the politicians didn't want to go all the way for victory.
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Wait a minute, you can't even tell me what the military objectives were in Vietnam or tell me what the goals were to determine what victory is.

If you tell me the objective was to stop the spread of communism in SE Asia, you are drinking the Kool-aid.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait a minute, you can't even tell me what the military objectives were in Vietnam or tell me what the goals were to determine what victory is.

If you tell me the objective was to stop the spread of communism in SE Asia, you are drinking the Kool-aid.
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Are you just in the mood to argue with your confrontational post here?

There were no strategic military "objectives" in Vietnam.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Are you just in the mood to argue with your confrontational post here?

There were no strategic military "objectives" in Vietnam.
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Nope it was the political proxy fight de jour between the US and Russia. Korea was the previous one. Neither presented a strategic threat to the US.

And the Korean War was our fault. We totally miscued our protectionist stance of Korea to the communists.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope it was the political proxy fight de jour between the US and Russia. Korea was the previous one. Neither presented a strategic threat to the US.

And the Korean War was our fault. We totally miscued our protectionist stance of Korea to the communists.
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In the 50s and 60s there was still that belief in communism as a monolithic giant gobbling up the world a country at a time. Probably the Western response was more than anything else a reaction to a string of countries fighting "wars of liberation" and becoming Russian colonies rather than European colonies. It was a scary thought to a lot of people thinking about a worldwide assortment of Russian launching posts.

The ironic thing was that Ho looked to the US for support in Vietnam becoming free of the French - communism itself wasn't his primary goal at all. At the end of WW2 Truman fell into the trap and became ensnared in Vietnam to keep the French from becoming a Soviet ally.

Not sure I understand your comment about Korea. I learned a bit about what happened there from my parents. The first place I lived outside Tennessee was Korea (1-2 years old) - Kimpo until 1948 when they decided to move all the military dependents out of Korea (my Dad was back there again in 1950-51) . There was Russian harassment of S Korea at the time - cutting power, overflights, and infiltration of N Korean spies. Had the US and allies not fought for S Korea, all of Korea would be what N Korea is today.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Are you just in the mood to argue with your confrontational post here?

There were no strategic military "objectives" in Vietnam.
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No, I'm just saying that it is erroneous to say that the politicians didn't have the will to win when there were no clear objectives in the first place. If they can't explain why we were there, how can they determine what victory is?
 
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AM64 said:
Not sure I understand your comment about Korea. I learned a bit about what happened there from my parents. The first place I lived outside Tennessee was Korea (1-2 years old) - Kimpo until 1948 when they decided to move all the military dependents out of Korea (my Dad was back there again in 1950-51) . There was Russian harassment of S Korea at the time - cutting power, overflights, and infiltration of N Korean spies. Had the US and allies not fought for S Korea, all of Korea would be what N Korea is today.
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I’d need to go dig some and find it but I was referring to a political miscue of our Ambassador I think to the U.N. on what the US considered countries under their protection. The conspiracy theory is basically we feinted we wouldn’t resist too much if the communists pushed into the peninsula. So they did. And we went to war in response.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Or he does the normal Trump thing and trolls the media who's anxiously waiting his victory lap by giving it a "meh" and moving on to the next item they'll scream about.

The man is a master at trolling the media and his opponents. He allows them to overreact, probably joyfully, and grins as they scamper about screeching about this or that.
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I don't really see that. What I see is a man who has lowered the position of the presidency to an all time low. Maybe second to Nixon, but you get the idea. He constantly spreads lies and half truths while calling his detractors unimaginative names and in general being completely disrespectful. His supporters are overjoyed by this behavior which is what Trump loves. He then goes on and talks about how he is the most mistreated president ever ignoring the fact that he brings much of the mistreatment upon himself.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't really see that. What I see is a man who has lowered the position of the presidency to an all time low. Maybe second to Nixon, but you get the idea. He constantly spreads lies and half truths while calling his detractors unimaginative names and in general being completely disrespectful. His supporters are overjoyed by this behavior which is what Trump loves. He then goes on and talks about how he is the most mistreated president ever ignoring the fact that he brings much of the mistreatment upon himself.
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You want any cheese?
 
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Sin City Vol said:
After seeing all the crying and whining over this comedian...I seriously doubt it. The tears flowed in waves over the Kenyan born Muslim president who wouldn’t release his transcripts. Lol
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If they give Trump and Kim the Nobel Peace Prize the entire left and a good deal of the right will totally and forever lose their damn minds. Because he would have actually earned it and Barry Hussein did nothing for it. Even the committee states they’d like a mulligan on that one. Couple that statement with an award to Trump and their little brains would sieze up.

Don’t worry though. I would guess it will be a while before the NPP goes to an American president again because of the Barry Hussein participation trophy.

They could still award the NPP to Kim and Moon however to recognize the advancement of they actually get to reunification. Not holding my breath there either though.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope it was the political proxy fight de jour between the US and Russia. Korea was the previous one. Neither presented a strategic threat to the US.

And the Korean War was our fault. We totally miscued our protectionist stance of Korea to the communists.
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The VN War is a complex mess of military and political strategies. I spent a tour there in the Delta, and without a doubt I just knew that we were ramping it up to end it militarily. We put the energy in to get it done. When it ended, I could not understand what went wrong. Why leave when we just about have this thing won.

For way too many years I tried to understand better what the puppet masters were thinking and doing while we were laying it on the line. That has not been easy to do... getting clear facts to understand the objectives, and goals for a total victory over "communism".

My present belief after watching a lot of the documentaries that show more of the thought process by Nixon, Johnson and whom I believe is the key player in this CF, McNamara. Johnson relied on his opinions... and it was clear McNamara was telling him it was not winnable... and the response was to increase the troop level, and let's see what happens.

Bottom line to me... while ramping the war effort in Nam year after year, fallen solider by fallen soldier... those cats in Washington were trying their best to find a noble way out... knowing full well that war was not winnable.

And that is what chaps me... I was and still am proud to have served in the war. Most that served there were proud Americans... we were let down.

This is just my opinion and belief at this point in time... I do understand there are multiple alternate personal, political, military, and liberal views on this war. No clear cut answers.

IMO...Trump will get the NPP... and both Big Al and Obie need to turn theirs in for coupons to MacDonalds for a Happy Meal.
 
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